Last edited by Flem274*; 29-10-2010 at 02:11 AM. Reason: ffffuuuu posts per page
So evidently you disagree and feel sometimes it is impossible?
Not sure why I'm replying, I mean I could just be obnoxious as you were and reply to the above post with something irrelevant, allow you to clarify yourself before posting something along the lines of....
This entire post is dreadful, and represents a truly terrible misunderstanding of the issue. I'm really sorry, I'm not trying to be funny, but there is just so much wrong here, that I can't even begin. I think I will also just leave this one here too.
I've not once said it is impossible to quite through will-power alone in all circumstances.
Which is where I disagree because....
Last edited by Marcuss; 29-10-2010 at 07:28 AM.
Then there's the attitude that once people are on drugs it's impossible for them to get off once they've developed the addiction, which again I disagree with.
It's not easy, and people might try and be unsuccessful a number of times but that in itself is not a reason to not try again.
My main problem with what was said earlier is this.
Of course nobody would ever want to be addicted to anything, to be truly dependant on any substance must be appalling. You make constant reference to how you don't understand why people "take them up", nobody in the entire world takes up an addiction, suggesting someone makes a conscientious decision to become addicted to something just does not compute, this is not how it works.No, I don't imagine addiction to be a pleasant thing, which is why I've said I never want one. Which is why I've said I don't understand why people take them up.
Furthermore, you seem to rather overestimate how easy to is to increase your employability and find a job. Even the most unskilled jobs are hard to come by for people with reasonable qualifications. You make it sound like you can walk into connexions and everything will magically become ok.
I apologise if I was particularly condemning of your post earlier, but it just seemed like I was banging my head against a brick wall and it was all going around in circles. However,I take issue with you referring to me as being holier than thou also, for it is in fact you who appears to be judging those who you openly admit you consider below you.
Last edited by sledger; 29-10-2010 at 07:40 AM.
Again, you make constant reference to what YOU would do, and how YOU do not understand it and how YOU deem something to be a superior alternative. But people are not all YOU, to apply some strict moral standard you have made for yourself and impose onto a group of people whose situation that you, nor I, nor most of there people on here can even begin to appreciate is failing to understand the bigger picture.
I don't overestimate how easy it is, it's difficult, I know that as I'm looking for a job myself right now. What I wasn't overestimating is that going to connexions, getting yourself into college and applying for the ALG are infinitely more likely to make your more employable than sitting at home and jacking up are. Like I said, the whole world isn't set against people like that, there are options out there and there are schemes set up to make it easier. They don't make it easy, they don't guarantee success but they're a whole lot better than turning to drugs IMO. So I just don't get why people would do so.
If you were condemning? You know you were, it was pretty ****ing obvious.
You can say you were banging your head against a brig wall, but the thing I took exception to was that you made a series of arguments against something I'd never said, I corrected you on what I was actually saying and then you treated that view point as though it wasn't worth your time, which I felt was rude and even hypocritical. Especially when, as you say yourself, you've been the one criticising me for, supposedly, judging those "deemed to be below me".
But it's not impossible, so it is easy enough. It's not too hard for anyone.
I'm not dismissing it out of hand, I appreciate that it's tough but that doesn't mean they shouldn't or can't try.
I've said before I can only speak about things as I understand them. If you're honestly suggesting that to some, jacking up on heroin will make the situation better for them than getting out and at least trying to get a job, then I fundamentally disagree.
You've said yourself that they turn to drugs "to escape", well all I've said is why don't they make the best efforts to actually get themselves out of the mess.
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