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    The Mugabe situation-is anyone really going to do anything?

    I wonder, Bush and the UN and Brown all seem to be saying crape about him but no one really seems to be doing anything, question on my mind is will Zimbabweans have to put up with yet another term of this man? Lets face it he lost an election whats the point in having a democracy if your just going to kill people every time you lose (Apart from maybe keeping us happy) But even that's not working because we know whats going on here.

    Usually I'll say lets look at the other side but there is no justification for the other side.
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    I mean look at how terrified these people are http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctYearPszJo




    Perhaps if it was the middle east which is the biggest area for oil there would be a different situation. Not that I'll condole an invasion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cover drive man View Post
    Perhaps if it was the middle east which is the biggest area for oil there would be a different situation. Not that I'll condole an invasion.
    because oil has lead to the Middle East as a bastion of transparent democracy? I didnt think so.

    Anyway,

    Its lazy to criticise Western leaders for not taking a more active role. Any political considerations have been hamstrung by Commonwealth countries and Africas lack of ability to regulate its own leaders. African leaders have had the opportunity to deal with this situation but have steadfastly refused to address it and organisations such as SADC have been slow to recognise problems.

    Dealing with Mugabe has been the equivalent of walking on egg shells with Mugabe being promoted as a shining example of Black African leadership rather than a case needing post colonial intervention.

    Zimbabwe is now one of Afircas, and the Commonwealths, self made political disasters. However, in the post-colonial age certain issues proved more important to those that have backed Mugabe than the fair and successful running of the country.

    With Mugabe went the hopes and dreams of many for strong, proud and successful African leadership. From inspirational figure he proceeded to destroy the country. Ripping it apart like has never been seen outside warfare. To accept these huge failings meant to many they would have to accept that the shining light of African leadership was a tyrant and a failure. Politically, many could not bring themselves to do that.

    Many African (and other Commonwealth countries) have ignored the sins of Mugabe for prideful reasons and he has literally been allowed to get away with murder. Even now, the principles behind supporting Mugabe (camaraderie and Black African leadership) means certain groups will ignore the horrors.

    The Zim sitiation isnt simple.
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    I know this is drastically over-simplifying things, but someone should just ****ing kill him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cover drive man View Post
    I wonder, Bush and the UN and Brown all seem to be saying crape about him but no one really seems to be doing anything, question on my mind is will Zimbabweans have to put up with yet another term of this man? Lets face it he lost an election whats the point in having a democracy if your just going to kill people every time you lose (Apart from maybe keeping us happy) But even that's not working because we know whats going on here.

    Usually I'll say lets look at the other side but there is no justification for the other side.
    No..

    The only way Mugabe will be ousted is when he dies.

    Explanations as to why are varied, but they boil down to him being a postcolonial black-African ruler, therefore largely untouchable, the lack of resources in Zimbabwe to make invading a viable option, and the general attitude of the betrodden Zimbabwean public which would not uprise to such an extent as to make his position untenable. Stand by for another 5 years of the same, he's looking mighty fit for an 84 year old.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble View Post
    I know this is drastically over-simplifying things, but someone should just ****ing kill him.
    Would be an easy solution to a whole heap of ****

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    No..
    Explanations as to why are varied, but they boil down to him being a postcolonial black-African ruler, therefore largely untouchable, the lack of resources in Zimbabwe to make invading a viable option, and the general attitude of the betrodden Zimbabwean public which would not uprise to such an extent as to make his position untenable.
    Dont forget its also a landlocked country which makes military intervention very difficult. It would also require massive political concessions from surrounding African countries to allow access through their territory to invade Zim. Very politcally difficult.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Would be an easy solution to a whole heap of ****
    It's not like me to advocate the killing of anyone, being religious and all that, but seriously...99.9999% of the world would not only not care if he died, they'd be actively happy. Many, many lives would be saved.

    What's stopping the real-life equivalent of Jack Bauer or James Bond just going into Zimbabwe and taking him out? Surely they'd have the support of virtually the entire world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Barney Rubble View Post
    What's stopping the real-life equivalent of Jack Bauer or James Bond just going into Zimbabwe and taking him out? Surely they'd have the support of virtually the entire world?
    The problem is that it wouldnt. The sovereignty of Black leaders seperate from former colonial powers and their independence from Western interference is more important to numerous groups than electioral fraud or genocide.

    It doesnt really matter what is going on as long as it is their man doing it. Western assassination of an African leader as prominent as Mugabe would cause a whole storm that would spread across the World. Now, a Zimbabwean doing it and having an African solution to the problem would be the easiest way around these issues.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    The problem is that wouldnt. The sovereignty of Black leaders from former colonial powers and their independence from Western interference is more important to numerous groups than electioral fraud or genocide.

    It doesnt really matter what is going on as long as it is their man doing it. Western assassination of an African leader as prominent as Mugabe would cause a whole storm that would spread across the World. Now, a Zimbabwean doing it and having an African solution to the problem would be the easiest way around these issues.
    Yeah, I see your point. Shame there doesn't seem to be a Zimbabwean Jack Bauer knocking about.

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    Reckon Mandela should get him in a choke hold and not let go tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    Reckon Mandela should get him in a choke hold and not let go tbh.
    Whilst Tutu comes in off the top rope

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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    Reckon Mandela should get him in a choke hold and not let go tbh.

    Mandela probably is one of the few people he'd listen to, don't think even he'd be able to persuade Mugabe to go though. And I doubt if even assassination would achieve anything as I suspect a military junta would take over and inflict genocide on the group(s) believed responsible. In any case, it's naive to assume that Mugabe doesn't enjoy some genuine support, despite the dreadful state of the economy.

    I know it's not remotely practicable, but I wish there were a way of arming the MDC and their supporters. These so-called 'war veterans' who go into the villages to carry out beatings on people who voted MDC (almost everybody, that is) would run for the hills if people started shooting at them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goughy View Post
    Whilst Tutu comes in off the top rope
    Tutu hasn't come off the top rope successfully for years

    Huh, whats a metaphor?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cover drive man View Post
    I wonder, Bush and the UN and Brown all seem to be saying crape about him but no one really seems to be doing anything, question on my mind is will Zimbabweans have to put up with yet another term of this man? Lets face it he lost an election whats the point in having a democracy if your just going to kill people every time you lose (Apart from maybe keeping us happy) But even that's not working because we know whats going on here.

    Usually I'll say lets look at the other side but there is no justification for the other side.
    US-UK invade and depose Saddam: booo evil oil hungry war criminals
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