Hip hop at the Glastonbury festival

[Langeveldt]

Is anything sacred any more?

Now I have no problem with Hip-Hop, rap, R&B, whatever you want to say, but this has really wound me up the wrong way, and I imagine I'm not the only one.. There is a place for all genres of music, but not at Glastonbury..

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/7345780.stm

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

I've got an opportunity to film this and/or edit it into an hour-long programme. Sadly I'll in Trinidad then. Woe is me.

And yes, I agree with your hip-hop-hating post. And yes, I know you weren't hating hip hop.

[Dasa]

Don't see the big deal tbh. The festival evolves, and the comment about it not being a place for all genres of music falls flat considering that a pretty large variety of acts have played there.

[cpr]

Blaming Jay Z for the fact it didnt sell out straight away, and in a way its true.

However, its nothing to do with hip hop, its to do with 2 things

1) Jay-Z's the wrong man. Sure he's the biggest name in his field, but its an indie festival, and he doesnt have the cross-over appeal of other acts. Ask anyone with Glastonbury tickets, and the younger lot would probably want Kanye West, the older lot would want The Beastie Boys. Jay-Z sorta came along during the lull in mainstream popularity between the two, and never really crossed over like they have. Also, Jay-Z was meant to headline Leeds one year, but 'retired' just before the show.... Not exactly someone to get excited about seeing when he's a reputation of no-showing.

2) The line-ups elsewhere have just completely **** on Glasto. Glasto's been known to get THE big name of the summer, had The Who, Radiohead etc. This year its the return of Rage Against The Machine, and there elsewhere. Think the 'rumours' of Led Zep playing have really damaged sales when the dissapointment hit.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Dasa

Don't see the big deal tbh. The festival evolves, and the comment about it not being a place for all genres of music falls flat considering that a pretty large variety of acts have played there.

Yes, but if they're going to go hip hop, they should get some proper hip hop. Not the trash that Jay-Z makes his millions with. The man barely has flow and is a substandard lyricist. [/rant]

[Dasa]

I don't disagree with that.

[GIMH]

Glastonbury's ****, would never ever go

[Anna]

Originally Posted by cpr

Blaming Jay Z for the fact it didnt sell out straight away, and in a way its true.

However, its nothing to do with hip hop, its to do with 2 things

1) Jay-Z's the wrong man. Sure he's the biggest name in his field, but its an indie festival, and he doesnt have the cross-over appeal of other acts. Ask anyone with Glastonbury tickets, and the younger lot would probably want Kanye West, the older lot would want The Beastie Boys. Jay-Z sorta came along during the lull in mainstream popularity between the two, and never really crossed over like they have. Also, Jay-Z was meant to headline Leeds one year, but 'retired' just before the show.... Not exactly someone to get excited about seeing when he's a reputation of no-showing.

2) The line-ups elsewhere have just completely **** on Glasto. Glasto's been known to get THE big name of the summer, had The Who, Radiohead etc. This year its the return of Rage Against The Machine, and there elsewhere. Think the 'rumours' of Led Zep playing have really damaged sales when the dissapointment hit.

Erm, no, it's a music festival. Yes there are indie acts but there's a shed load of other stuff - rock, folk, world, dance etc etc etc.

[cpr]

The main draw of Glastonbury over the last 10 years has been Indie based acts. Wouldnt exactly call it a rock festival, considering the bands i've seen at other festivals have been considerably heavier than anything Glasto's ever had. Sure it has all sorts of music playing, but what festival doesnt. I'd still count Leeds as a rock festival, even after seeing Dizzee Rascal, 2 Many DJ's, 50 Cent etc play there (plus many an Indie band too).

Glastonbury draws the majority of its attendee's from the Indie crowds, always has, always will.

[Langeveldt]

Originally Posted by Anna

Erm, no, it's a music festival. Yes there are indie acts but there's a shed load of other stuff - rock, folk, world, dance etc etc etc.

Well, looks like they've done a cracking job of just alienating most of their fanbase.. Good luck with their 'music festival'

[_Ed_]

I thought it usually sold out before the lineup was announced? If that had been the case I would be very strongly opposed to having Jay-Z as headliner, as the people who got tickets probably wouldn't like him and his fans probably wouldn't have tickets.

But you say it didn't sell out straight away? Not such a big deal in that case.

[Matteh]

They announce the headliners when tickets sell and then the full lineup at the start of June. Personally i have a ticket, but i'll be returning it so i can do mooch around Europe in a van with my friends for the month of June.

[16 tins of Spam]

Originally Posted by cpr

The main draw of Glastonbury over the last 10 years has been Indie based acts. Wouldnt exactly call it a rock festival, considering the bands i've seen at other festivals have been considerably heavier than anything Glasto's ever had. Sure it has all sorts of music playing, but what festival doesnt. I'd still count Leeds as a rock festival, even after seeing Dizzee Rascal, 2 Many DJ's, 50 Cent etc play there (plus many an Indie band too).

Glastonbury draws the majority of its attendee's from the Indie crowds, always has, always will.

Exactly. While the acts themselves are not generally 100% "indie" (which in itself is a pretty meaningless term these days), the audience is usually predominantly comprised of indie fans who are less likely to want to see the likes of Jay-Z, and for that matter Kylie Minogue. I couldn't believe it when I heard she was going to perform there - sacrilege!

[cpr]

Aye, saying 'Indie' fans is a bit limited, as people listen to a whole range of music, but its a fair summary of your average Glastonbury goer. Theres always a kitsch act, such as Shirley Bassey last year, on the bill, and that'll be Kylie this year, so wouldnt make that such a big deal.... However you need good other headliners....

Sticking by what i said above though, if they'd got the Beastie Boys as the hip-hop headliner, it'd be a totally different story.... Its more Jay-Z hasnt got the audience appeal over here.

[_Ed_]

Wow, Shirley Bassey would have been fantastic.