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Thread: Iraq War ( What do you think about it?)

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    Iraq War ( What do you think about it?)

    I am not a warmonger, but i think it is time to take action on Saddam Hussain. He has had 12 years to destroy his weapons and yet he is not doing it.

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    There is still no proof there are any weapons and Bush is just trying to convince everyone that there are but he's got no proof, so to try and not look like the idiot he is he claims he will go it alone if the UN don't help him. The last thing the world needs now is a war.
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    Originally posted by Rik
    There is still no proof there are any weapons
    Didn't he just have to destroy some though?
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    Originally posted by marc71178
    Didn't he just have to destroy some though?
    Some anti-aircraft ones yes, but hardly chemical warfare.


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    America is only going into Iraq because of the Oil wealth...If it cared a jot about the local people under attack from a terrible dictator, then why hasnt it gone into places like Zimbabwe where a similar thing is happening???

    They are out there to settle the score, a sort of Gulf War part two, and its a dangerous business to be getting into with human life at stake...He is the dangerous warmonger, and he happens to have weapons of mass destruction, sound familiar?

    There is no hope for world peace when our most influential world leader is hell bent on war games...
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    Not a chance.

    There won't be UN backing so that really isn't an option (unless America finds a huge amount of money to buy votes..) so it's no way.

    Anyway, as for the USA and democracy, anyone ever heard of Colombia or Honduras?
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    Latest speculation (news?) is that Iraq plan to blow up the oilfields (like they did in Kuwait) in the event of an invasion.

    Takes away some of the financial incentive, perhaps?
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    With the price of oil ever rising and the world stockpile of oil ever decreasing, a load of oil going up in flames is not what the world needs...

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    What I don't understand from all this is how the UN Security Council works?

    They need a majority, but even if there is one, any member can veto it?

    So 14-1 could be turned down?

    Am I getting the wrong end of the stick here, or is it that stupid a system?

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    oh boy, not another one of these :P

    I'll stay out.

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    latest news:

    koffi annan came out and said that going to war against iraq would be illegal without un backing.

    france has said they will definitely not support war, and russia agreed.
    they believe there is no case for war.
    so do i.
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    UN Security Council - 15 members.

    5 Permanent
    USA, UK, France, Russia, China
    10 Temporary
    currently Spain, Bulgaria, Germany, Syria, Guinea, Cameroon, Angola, Mexico, Chile, Pakistan

    A 9-6 is required to pass a resolution but it can be vetoed by a Permanent Member.

    As things stand...
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    USA, UK, Spain, Bulgaria
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    Russia, France, Syria, Germany, China (may abstain)
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    Pakistan
    Undecided
    Guinea - in a difficult position because it receives 33m aid p/a from the US
    Cameroon - likely to side with France but has commonwealth ties to the UK
    Angola - against in principle, but can't afford to isolate itself...
    Mexico - likely to vote for as >80% of its cross-border trade is with the US
    Chile - likely to vote for because it wants/needs a free trade deal with the US

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    Thanks for clearing that up Neil, but how many times can a veto be used?

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    forget it
    Last edited by chris.hinton; 12-03-2003 at 10:55 AM.

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    Originally posted by chris.hinton
    it just the same excuse with these Anti-war protesters. OIL

    IT IS NOT FOR OIL!!!!!

    Blair has said on friday on the MTV show that Britain exports OIL not imports it so why do we want it?

    Facts

    1) Saddam Hussain has murdered 2 million Iraqi people.

    2) Saddam has used Chemicial Welfare on his OWN people in 85,88,91.

    3) Iraqi people are suffering becasue of his Horrible Regime

    4) Saddam is a West Hater, do we want him top stay in power for more years.


    oh course Mugabe is just as bad and action needs to be taken on him, but lets deal with Nuclear states first
    This is going to be the first year that Britain becomes a net importer of oil and gas for 30 years. The North Sea stuff is running out.

    No-one is suggesting that Saddam Hussain is a nice man and that he hasn't done some appalling things, but for George Bush and his tame poodle to ride in on their white charger requires more reason than that. You cannot topple a regime just because they don't like you or that it is totalitarian or undemocratic. If that was the case, you would have to get rid of all the oil states - Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, the Emirates, the lot.

    You say you have to get rid of the nuclear states first. OK, do it. Israel, China, Russia, UK, Pakistan, India, USA, France - help yourself mate. North Korea are actively pursuing a nuclear program - that's why they are starting up their fast breeder and have thrown out the nuclear inspectors.

    Regarding your argument that Saddam is a 'west hater', might I remind you that this forum is world-wide.

    I'm actually looking forward to someone charging George Bush and Tony Blair with war crimes if there is no second resolution and they do 'go it alone'.

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