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    I think us saffies have it sorted.. If you aren't a citizen, you are not able to get a job unless the firm can prove that a South African cannot fill that position.. Don't have any complaints with the system which seems a lot fairer than the 'anything goes' open door policy in the UK..

    What I don't understand about British Politics, is there is a Prime Minister who has been voted for by about 22,000 people in East Scotland... Brown hasn't won a general election, but he runs the country?!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt View Post
    I think us saffies have it sorted.. If you aren't a citizen, you are not able to get a job unless the firm can prove that a South African cannot fill that position.. Don't have any complaints with the system which seems a lot fairer than the 'anything goes' open door policy in the UK..

    What I don't understand about British Politics, is there is a Prime Minister who has been voted for by about 22,000 people in East Scotland... Brown hasn't won a general election, but he runs the country?!
    Blair never won a general election either. The Labour Party won three. You vote for a member of a party, not a person.
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    As for all the Eastern bloc coming in... they're taking jobs OFF the natives because they're cheaper, Polish builders anyone? They come over here because the money is still better than back home.
    Aside from the fact that the comment is verging on racism, Britain needs immigration because, as far as I'm aware, we still have a declining population. Also, as someone else has pointed out, immigrants have a far better attitude towards work than a lot of native Britons.

    As far as the housing situation goes, I can't really comment on it as I don't know enough about it. However, I would say that an immigrant/asylum seeker would find it harder to find accomodation outwith the council than a native Brit. Surely it's more important to house the homeless, Brit or otherwise, than move a family who already are in a house to a larger home. Not that I want to comment on your own personal situation, cpr, as I obviously know nothing of the circumstances.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup View Post
    Blair never won a general election either. The Labour Party won three. You vote for a member of a party, not a person.
    The vast majority of people nowadays vote for the personality who heads the party.. I know you are right strictly speaking, but it seems a bit of a farce that the leader can change without anyone voting for him..


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    Quote Originally Posted by gio View Post
    Aside from the fact that the comment is verging on racism, Britain needs immigration because, as far as I'm aware, we still have a declining population. Also, as someone else has pointed out, immigrants have a far better attitude towards work than a lot of native Britons.

    As far as the housing situation goes, I can't really comment on it as I don't know enough about it. However, I would say that an immigrant/asylum seeker would find it harder to find accomodation outwith the council than a native Brit. Surely it's more important to house the homeless, Brit or otherwise, than move a family who already are in a house to a larger home. Not that I want to comment on your own personal situation, cpr, as I obviously know nothing of the circumstances.
    The fact that they need to build however many million more houses on flood plains, and that the average price of a house will soon be 300,000 pounds, suggests to me that there is a real shortage..

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    Fair enough i understand that those without a home need one more than those cramped into one too small. But the councils have sold of a huge number of properties under the right to buy, then not used that money to reinvest in other houses means that theres not enough for everyone to be housed comfortably.

    Also a 1 child foreign family will be given a 4 bed house if free, but the 3 child family will be told to stay in a 2 bed. Now you can see a common sense answer here cant you? You cant? which council is it you work for again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gio View Post
    Aside from the fact that the comment is verging on racism, Britain needs immigration because, as far as I'm aware, we still have a declining population. Also, as someone else has pointed out, immigrants have a far better attitude towards work than a lot of native Britons.
    Who's verging on racism? So all immigrants have at least a decent attitude towards work now do they?

    I'd love to know where this myth about needing immigration based on a declining population comes from. A declining population would be a very good thing in Britain (as long the population declined from the right geographical places). An aging population is different, but then we'll be all stuck with working til 70 before long anyway. You might need immigration because of a skill shortage, but you don't need it to ensure this island is even more overpopulated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpr View Post
    Actually there not cheaper, they get payed the same minimum wage as everyone else. Just there more willing to work at that level. We use a Polish builder for a lot of our maintenance work, as he's fair priced and will do the job a damn site quicker than many local builders (and that includes my uncles!). His invoices make it all the worth while though, as although his spoken English is perfect, his spelling isnt, so a 'Window leaking in the porch' becomes 'Window licking in the porshe'

    Theres a lot of immigration into this country because A) we have a damn good minimum wage and B) theres alot of work available for those willing. Anyone claiming they cant geta job due to foreigners can just get out of the country IMO. Not looking hard enough (i've not had a permanent job for over a year, spent all my time temping, never gone a week without a position, as theres always jobs for those who are reliable and work hard)

    Flipside of this though, although they arnt taking anyones jobs, they are having an effect on housing. Councils will house 'homeless' immigrants as a priority, which means brits needing the houses lose out. (girlfriends mums in that position, She has 3 children, in a 2 bedroom house, been told its a 5 year wait for a bigger house if she's lucky, as she's not a priority case). Couple this with the whole 'Right to Buy' means that the number of council properties has rapidly dimished, whilst the demand has grown. (i do agree with Right to buy, just think the council should put that money straight back into building/purchasing more houses to replace)
    Yeah, ended up breaking a few banks to buy a house because we couldn't get a council house last year; missus was pregnant with twins and we already had a three-year old, lived two flights of stairs up (and above absolute scumbags to put the icing on the cake) but they weren't interested because I had a job paying a long way below the national average. ****ers.
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    Basically the massive rise in share-prices and the general rise in our economy, can be put mainly down to immigration imo.

    If they are willing to work, and not scrounge off the state, then I can't see any problem with having them in the country.
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    Basically the massive rise in share-prices and the general rise in our economy, can be put mainly down to immigration imo.

    If they are willing to work, and not scrounge off the state, then I can't see any problem with having them in the country.

    The FTSE 100 at the end of 1999/start 2000 was nearly at 7000, it crashed down to over half that in early 2003. So does that mean there were no immigrants in 2003 then and we were overrun in 1999/2000? I would say the general rise in our economy is because it's stable because most of the countries, markets that influence us are also stable and all the foundations for a good, stable economy were built from the late 1970s onwards.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cover drive man View Post
    What does everyone think of Brown not calling an election.
    Hopefully it'll assure Cameronb a majority in 09 tbh, probably would have been hung this time

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    Yeah, Brown's arse went, basically, didn't it? Nowhere near as skilled at the dispatch box as Tone was either, if his early form is any guide.

    Meanwhile the Lib Dems have quietly offed Sir Ming for being too old (allegedly, obv, given he actually resigned) and two suits full of bugger all are lining up to take over. Not sure even their families could pick 'em out of line ups tbh.
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