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    It's alright though, we promised the biggest recipients of benefits that theirs wouldn't be touched.

    When it comes to people who need a helping hand then the under 25s who've been conned into University are much more deserving of it than a bunch of millionaire pensioners. Sir Alex Ferguson, who's just retired from a job paying him in excess of 10m a year, will soon be entitled to 200 every winter to help him keep warm. And nothing will get done about it.
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    It seems unusually vindictive. It's not a case of targeting the long-term unemployed, people with no dependents or people that consistently turn down good jobs to stay on the dole. It's just people younger than 25, and he seems to think that's a perfectly good proxy for people that don't deserve benefits. It doesn't matter if you have three kids, have applied to thousands of jobs and all of your family are dead. If you're not 25, **** you.
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    they probably hate Britain tbf
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    To use an old cliche this government know the price of everything and the value of nothing - they are an utter disgrace and target everyone who gets no sympathy from the Tory press and this attack on the so-called NEETS, and how inflammatory is that remark, is just typical.

    Another example is how us fat cat legal aid lawyers have consistently had our incomes attacked. Still this time, with the 17.5% pay cut we are about to have imposed on us by Gibbering Grayling he will wipe the profession out so there will be no-one left to represent all the young people who are driven to crime as a result of the supposedly caring society in which they live abandoning them - although by all accounts G4S, Serco and Eddie Stobart are interested in providing Criminal Defence services (Tesco were interested but apparently decided they couldn't turn a profit)

    And in case it just be thought I am whinging the classic example is this - a colleague produced a file at a meeting the other day - it was a Magistrates Court case - a contested allegation of a public order offence which went to a full trial - he did 10 hours work on it and was paid 440 - under Grayling's "reforms" he'd be paid 251 for the same case

    But it wasn't the other day that he got his 440 - it was back in 1978!


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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It seems unusually vindictive. It's not a case of targeting the long-term unemployed, people with no dependents or people that consistently turn down good jobs to stay on the dole. It's just people younger than 25, and he seems to think that's a perfectly good proxy for people that don't deserve benefits. It doesn't matter if you have three kids, have applied to thousands of jobs and all of your family are dead. If you're not 25, **** you.
    Those people don't exist any more, they lose their money, so he has to start somewhere else, this seems to be his arbitrary thing. There's a simple basic problem with all this really, there aren't enough jobs to go round, so all these changes just means there's tons of money in switching people to different benefits, their war on benefits has hardly saved them a thing in real terms, because the constant reviews, hiring of outside private companies like Atos and Respect all cost money, which they try to hide in other figures.

    They are targetting the long-term unemployed too with community service, which is a great vote winner, but again not practical once you look beyond the basic facts. Either these jobs are something already being done by people earning a wage, which actually means you're putting more on the dole to do the work, and not paying tax. Or it's surplus stuff which means it'll cost in a supervisory/transport way.

    It's smoke and mirrors, so they've just got to do something drastic. They promised massive cuts in spending, it's not happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It seems unusually vindictive. It's not a case of targeting the long-term unemployed, people with no dependents or people that consistently turn down good jobs to stay on the dole. It's just people younger than 25, and he seems to think that's a perfectly good proxy for people that don't deserve benefits. It doesn't matter if you have three kids, have applied to thousands of jobs and all of your family are dead. If you're not 25, **** you.
    In fairness to Cameron, reading the Guardian it appears that the policy is removing benefits from people under 25 who are either a) not seeking employment or b) not in education. Which is a lot less draconian than "you're under 25, no money for you."

    The war on benefits claimants is absolutely disgusting though. Particularly as the elderly, who receive more than half of the total amount of benefits, were told prior to the election that theirs wouldn't be touched.

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    It still seems pretty arbitrary though, why not remove benefits from people over 25 who aren't seeking employment? He really seems to just have something against young people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    It still seems pretty arbitrary though, why not remove benefits from people over 25 who aren't seeking employment? He really seems to just have something against young people.
    They are. I'm not really sure what this announcement is changing that much TBH.

    They just tend to announce the same things in budgets and Conference speeches, again and again, when most of it's already in place.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Another example is how us fat cat legal aid lawyers have consistently had our incomes attacked. Still this time, with the 17.5% pay cut we are about to have imposed on us by Gibbering Grayling he will wipe the profession out so there will be no-one left to represent all the young people who are driven to crime as a result of the supposedly caring society in which they live abandoning them - although by all accounts G4S, Serco and Eddie Stobart are interested in providing Criminal Defence services (Tesco were interested but apparently decided they couldn't turn a profit)
    Tesco were the front runners to do the private trail for Tax Credits Compliance, but again decided not enough profits in it, so Bosch took the job instead (yes, the washing machine company investigating people.... That is what its come to). Director came out and admitted it didn't work at all - But then when he was Director of Contact Centres he did a similar trail outsourcing the phones that failed too - Guess he'll go for 3rd time lucky next sideways move accross the top rung he gets
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    The guy behind Tommy Robinson's education and transformation is a genius. Maybe our political leaders need to hire him asap.
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    Uncertain of that, our political leaders are already well versed in how to act in a way which owes more to the quest for publicity than to anything else. As far as I can tell there's no reason to believe Mr Robinson's resignation from the EDL is anything other than some sort of publicity stunt. The guy has not once expressed any remorse for some of the terrible things he has said, and given the fact that he was only recently still spouting derogatory comments about Islam on Twitter I'd say there is plenty to be cautious about. The guy's a turd.

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    He is also a criminal. What he has done is nothing new, Griffin tried to make the BNP respectable not all that long ago.

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    The biggest problem Nick Griffin has is that he has the most punchable face on this side of the Atlantic Ocean

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    The daily mail have put the Royal Christening on 15 pages, the Independent, 19 words.

    Got to love the Indy

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    'Rape porn' possession to be punished by three years in jail, David Cameron to announce | Metro News

    Really?Doesn't this redefine rape into an exclusively violent crime? And iirc there was a study that linked access to pornography and reduction in sexual crimes. Seems like a poorly thought out law that completely misses the point and one that creates a totally new set of problems.

    All this and I don't think it is going to be effective while wasting tax money.
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