Poker

[Athlai]

Love poker to be honest, a local champ, never lost a game.

I do not condone gambling outside of casino's.

[cpr]

Originally Posted by simmy

I would say that not being able to physically read people is nigh on irrelevant. At the mid/higher stakes, when people know the basics and play generally solid poker for the most part, you get reads off their betsizing, tendencies and timing tells. For example, betting half the pot means they are weak, whereas a bigger means strength. Or that they reraise big with a flush draw.

For the most part (and this is probably due to the fact that on the whole I have played with my opponents a lot and had 100s or 1000s of hands against them) I find it much easier to determine the strength of someones hand online.

Plus, we are not all Derren Brown, it is rare that we are actually going to give off tells that others are able to pick up and then be able to exploit.

What I will say is that, on the whole, live play is a lot easier to beat than the comparative stakes online (talking cash games here). So if you can beat the online games at any stake level really, then get on down to a casino!

I would be surprised if any here could pick up a physical tell and then correctly base your play on repeatedly.

Think you misunderstood, what i was getting at is that by learning to play online, you find there is no need to control emotions and show restraint. Do that too long and once you do play a face to face game, then its really tricky to remember to hold your cool so to speak (if you've spent the last year shouting 'YESSS' to yourself every time your dealt 2 Aces, in a real game its quite easy to forget to control yourself and remember to not show you've just got a crackin hand. Its not so much little tells, but massive whoppers

[Athlai]

Just started on the Full Tilt Poker site and won a tournament. Cool site anyone else have a user on it?

[open365]

Originally Posted by simmy

I would say that not being able to physically read people is nigh on irrelevant. At the mid/higher stakes, when people know the basics and play generally solid poker for the most part, you get reads off their betsizing, tendencies and timing tells. For example, betting half the pot means they are weak, whereas a bigger means strength. Or that they reraise big with a flush draw.

For the most part (and this is probably due to the fact that on the whole I have played with my opponents a lot and had 100s or 1000s of hands against them) I find it much easier to determine the strength of someones hand online.

Plus, we are not all Derren Brown, it is rare that we are actually going to give off tells that others are able to pick up and then be able to exploit.

What I will say is that, on the whole, live play is a lot easier to beat than the comparative stakes online (talking cash games here). So if you can beat the online games at any stake level really, then get on down to a casino!

I would be surprised if any here could pick up a physical tell and then correctly base your play on repeatedly.

Yeh physical tells are way overrated, especialy lower down where often people don't know themselves what they've got. The only person i've got reliable tells from is a guy a play a lot with and crush every time we play heads up because he's so obvious.

What site do you play at Sim?

I'm currently using Bowman90 on stars, lent a dollar off a mate and have managed to run it up to $30 playing the lowest limit stakes(it's horribly impossible to avoid being drawn out on down there) and lately SNGs and 2.20 sats which are pretty easy. I used to use SSDas at which i turned nothing into into a hundred an 67 dollars but then came crashing down to 67(and which point i decided to bar myself to stop myslef tilting of my br).

I do ok in SNGs (sharkscope's reading 30%ROI after 90 games) but i seem to suck at shorthanded cash games, which is annoying as i'm an OK shorthand tournament player.

Edit: FFS, last two hands, first NL cash, second early on in a 2.20 sat-

Me:88
Villain:KQ
Flop:8KK
All in
Turn:A
River:A

Me:KK
Villain:77
All in(WTF ARE YOU DOING ALL IN WITH 7s??????)
Flop: K23 - Score, he's virtualy dead. Drawing to two perfect outs, 989 to one.
Turn: 7 - W/E, i'm still winning, i mean, what's the chances of him hitting the case 7? 43 to one? No way
River: Take a wild ****in guess.

Poker sucks.

[cover drive man]

Originally Posted by open365

Yeh physical tells are way overrated, especialy lower down where often people don't know themselves what they've got. The only person i've got reliable tells from is a guy a play a lot with and crush every time we play heads up because he's so obvious.

What site do you play at Sim?

I'm currently using Bowman90 on stars, lent a dollar off a mate and have managed to run it up to $30 playing the lowest limit stakes(it's horribly impossible to avoid being drawn out on down there) and lately SNGs and 2.20 sats which are pretty easy. I used to use SSDas at which i turned nothing into into a hundred an 67 dollars but then came crashing down to 67(and which point i decided to bar myself to stop myslef tilting of my br).

I do ok in SNGs (sharkscope's reading 30%ROI after 90 games) but i seem to suck at shorthanded cash games, which is annoying as i'm an OK shorthand tournament player.

Edit: FFS, last two hands, first NL cash, second early on in a 2.20 sat-

Me:88
Villain:KQ
Flop:8KK
All in
Turn:A
River:A

Me:KK
Villain:77
All in(WTF ARE YOU DOING ALL IN WITH 7s??????)
Flop: K23 - Score, he's virtualy dead. Drawing to two perfect outs, 989 to one.
Turn: 7 - W/E, i'm still winning, i mean, what's the chances of him hitting the case 7? 43 to one? No way
River: Take a wild ****in guess.

Poker sucks.

Unlucky. Sounded a little bit like Phil Hellmuth towards the end

[cover drive man]

OK then some of cdm's poker tips.

Poker varies from which type of game you're playing people play for fun and money among various other things. Example if you're playing for money and you see you have about a 36% Chance of making a straight you should only put you're money in if you're getting payed out at(100/36) 2.8/1. But in play money games like what most poker sites have people will be more likely to have a little gamble. People will be a lot more serious when there's money involved, I mean I've only ever played two pound games at the most but still mister tight money is easy to bluff or basically bully out of a pot but mister money bags wouldn't be as bothered about losing a pound so it's good to play the player who isn't taking the game to serious when you feel you have the best hand.

But remember when you take tips all players are different. There are fish(A player guaranteed to lose), rocks (Tight players), donkeys(Poker incompetence) and sharks (Good players after the fish's money) Knowing how to tell a shark from a fish is a key factor in poker. Remember if you dont know who the fish at you're table is when you're playing poker, it's you.

[cover drive man]

Amateur's although they are amateurs are sometimes a bit figity first of all never bluff them.

[cpr]

Originally Posted by cover drive man

Remember if you dont know who the fish at you're table is when you're playing poker, it's you.

Lifted from Rounders that line, aint it?

[cover drive man]

Originally Posted by cpr

Lifted from Rounders that line, aint it?

Yep. (Think I might go pro when I'm older)

[GotSpin]

Originally Posted by open365

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Edit: FFS, last two hands, first NL cash, second early on in a 2.20 sat-

Me:88
Villain:KQ
Flop:8KK
All in
Turn:A
River:A

Poker sucks.

No offence, but isnt that just bad play?

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Originally Posted by GoT_SpIn

No offence, but isnt that just bad play?

No. He made the right call and got sucked out.

[Athlai]

Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

No. He made the right call and got sucked out.

With 2 kings on the table? It wasn't really his hand, still robbed a little though.

[dontcloseyoureyes]

He had a full house ffs! Unless the **** had K8 (or KK, but that's even less likely) he was well in front, and deserved to win.

[Bobisback]

Originally Posted by open365

Me:KK
Villain:77
All in(WTF ARE YOU DOING ALL IN WITH 7s??????)
Flop: K23 - Score, he's virtualy dead. Drawing to two perfect outs, 989 to one.
Turn: 7 - W/E, i'm still winning, i mean, what's the chances of him hitting the case 7? 43 to one? No way
River: Take a wild ****in guess.

Poker sucks.

Who pushed, him or you? Calling with 77 would be a bit tough, but pushing with it would be the right move and he was unlucky(or not) to come against KK

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Yeah, pre-flop with 7's isn't that bad a play, you'd have to think you'd be getting called by similar pockets or more likely by AK or AQ.