Poker - Page 12

silentstriker · 18-08-2007, 12:56 PM

I am a dire tournament player. Sit N' Gos are not really tournaments

. I don't do well in large tournaments as they don't suit my style. But Sit N' Gos, you can play them similar to cash games, so I turn out a healthy hourly profit on them, actually.

No, no big names that I could recognize.

Bobisback · 18-08-2007, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by open365

Well correct me if i'm wrong but you don't get any money for finishing first in a freeroll sattelite?

Was $5 for the top 10. At the AQ i was 16th or 18th.

Bobisback · 19-08-2007, 10:51 AM

Code:

PokerStars Game #11572993901: Tournament #58721809, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/08/19 - 12:47:50 (ET)
Table '58721809 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hair_Dwyer (3330 in chips) 
Seat 2: KEVINER (1925 in chips) 
Seat 5: Schatzi888 (3745 in chips) 
Hair_Dwyer: posts the ante 25
KEVINER: posts the ante 25
Schatzi888: posts the ante 25
KEVINER: posts small blind 200
Schatzi888: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hair_Dwyer [Td Ac]
Hair_Dwyer: calls 400
KEVINER: calls 200
Schatzi888: raises 400 to 800
Hair_Dwyer: calls 400
KEVINER: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Th]
KEVINER: checks 
Schatzi888: bets 2920 and is all-in
Hair_Dwyer: calls 2505 and is all-in
KEVINER: folds 
*** TURN *** [6c 5c Th] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 5c Th 3c] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Schatzi888: shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Kings)
Hair_Dwyer: shows [Td Ac] (a pair of Tens)
Schatzi888 collected 7485 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7485 | Rake 0 
Board [6c 5c Th 3c Kd]
Seat 1: Hair_Dwyer (button) showed [Td Ac] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: KEVINER (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Schatzi888 (big blind) showed [Kh Ad] and won (7485) with a pair of Kings

I really do hate poker. Made the right read, and the **** hits one of his two outs on the river.

cover drive man · 19-08-2007, 11:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobisback

Code:

PokerStars Game #11572993901: Tournament #58721809, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/08/19 - 12:47:50 (ET)
Table '58721809 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hair_Dwyer (3330 in chips) 
Seat 2: KEVINER (1925 in chips) 
Seat 5: Schatzi888 (3745 in chips) 
Hair_Dwyer: posts the ante 25
KEVINER: posts the ante 25
Schatzi888: posts the ante 25
KEVINER: posts small blind 200
Schatzi888: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hair_Dwyer [Td Ac]
Hair_Dwyer: calls 400
KEVINER: calls 200
Schatzi888: raises 400 to 800
Hair_Dwyer: calls 400
KEVINER: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Th]
KEVINER: checks 
Schatzi888: bets 2920 and is all-in
Hair_Dwyer: calls 2505 and is all-in
KEVINER: folds 
*** TURN *** [6c 5c Th] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 5c Th 3c] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Schatzi888: shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Kings)
Hair_Dwyer: shows [Td Ac] (a pair of Tens)
Schatzi888 collected 7485 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7485 | Rake 0 
Board [6c 5c Th 3c Kd]
Seat 1: Hair_Dwyer (button) showed [Td Ac] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: KEVINER (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Schatzi888 (big blind) showed [Kh Ad] and won (7485) with a pair of Kings

I really do hate poker. Made the right read, and the **** hits one of his two outs on the river.

Ouch.

open365 · 19-08-2007, 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobisback

Code:

PokerStars Game #11572993901: Tournament #58721809, $3.00+$0.25 Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2007/08/19 - 12:47:50 (ET)
Table '58721809 1' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Hair_Dwyer (3330 in chips) 
Seat 2: KEVINER (1925 in chips) 
Seat 5: Schatzi888 (3745 in chips) 
Hair_Dwyer: posts the ante 25
KEVINER: posts the ante 25
Schatzi888: posts the ante 25
KEVINER: posts small blind 200
Schatzi888: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hair_Dwyer [Td Ac]
Hair_Dwyer: calls 400
KEVINER: calls 200
Schatzi888: raises 400 to 800
Hair_Dwyer: calls 400
KEVINER: calls 400
*** FLOP *** [6c 5c Th]
KEVINER: checks 
Schatzi888: bets 2920 and is all-in
Hair_Dwyer: calls 2505 and is all-in
KEVINER: folds 
*** TURN *** [6c 5c Th] [3c]
*** RIVER *** [6c 5c Th 3c] [Kd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Schatzi888: shows [Kh Ad] (a pair of Kings)
Hair_Dwyer: shows [Td Ac] (a pair of Tens)
Schatzi888 collected 7485 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7485 | Rake 0 
Board [6c 5c Th 3c Kd]
Seat 1: Hair_Dwyer (button) showed [Td Ac] and lost with a pair of Tens
Seat 2: KEVINER (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Schatzi888 (big blind) showed [Kh Ad] and won (7485) with a pair of Kings

I really do hate poker. Made the right read, and the **** hits one of his two outs on the river.

He acctualy had three outs (sorry i can't help pointing things out) but that's horrible, some of the play in low buy-in turbo(i'm guessing it's a turbo?) SNGs is ridiculous.

Jamee999 · 19-08-2007, 12:45 PM

No - the King of Clubs would've given Bob the nut flush.

open365 · 19-08-2007, 12:57 PM

Touche, i always miss the suits on unconverted hand histories.

cover drive man · 20-08-2007, 02:30 AM

My brother (Not andmark) has one of the most easy to recognise tells in the world.

andmark · 20-08-2007, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cover drive man

My brother (Not andmark) has one of the most easy to recognise tells in the world.

Agreed, TBH. Lastnight I tried to tell him to bluff you with it (He didn't listen though.)

cover drive man · 20-08-2007, 06:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andmark

Agreed, TBH. Lastnight I tried to tell him to bluff you with it (He didn't listen though.)

Bluffing isn't that important tbh.

andmark · 20-08-2007, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cover drive man

Bluffing isn't that important tbh.

Yeah, it can also give away that you've got good cards if you over do it.

Bobisback · 20-08-2007, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cover drive man

Bluffing isn't that important tbh.

Bluffing is a huge part of tournament play. If you dont bluff, and only play good cards, and call when you hit, you'll be in trouble.

cover drive man · 20-08-2007, 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bobisback

Bluffing is a huge part of tournament play. If you dont bluff, and only play good cards, and call when you hit, you'll be in trouble.

No playing to many hands gets you in trouble if you bluff every hand which isn't something good someones bound to call you're bluff. Bluffing is only a small factor in the game calculating the odds is much more important. better to play slow than bluff. I bluff but not as much as you think i should.

dontcloseyoureyes · 20-08-2007, 07:36 AM

You don't play tournaments though.

silentstriker · 20-08-2007, 07:51 AM

Bluffing is indeed a very small part of poker. If you just play good hands, you won't win a tournament but you'll go a lot further than if you keep bluffing.

People don't realize that when you watch Poker on TV, you don't see the hands where everyone folds. You see the bluffs and the raises, which don't happen every hand, so people assume that bluffing is a much bigger part of the game than it actually is.

If you bluff a lot, you'll start getting called a lot, and lose money. And the more you bluff the more chance you have of running into a great hand anyway. It should be situational. You need to pick the right moment to bluff, and generally a bluff should be targeted towards someone.

I play sometimes and I see a guy bluffing by making a pot sized bet after the flop with 4 people still in the hand. There is a technical term for players like that: it's called 'bad'.

Bluffing does tend to be a bigger part at the highest level as compared to the lower levels (though still not a huge part) because everyone at the higher levels knows pot odds and isn't going to give you great odds to make the call most of the time. At the lower levels, you don't have that, and considering a lot of people are just calling stations, your bluff gets called too much for it to be worthwhile.

In fact, in any limit play less than $5/$10, I've found that bluffing at all actually reduces my profit/hour. At least where I go, the $10/$20 seems to be a line of sorts, so from there on out, you may need to bluff once in a while (targetted bluffs, a couple times an hour, if that). At lower levels, if you do anything but the rare bluff, you're just asking to lose money. I mean, why do you need to bluff if your table is consistently giving you 8:1 odds on your open ended straight draw? Or the guy who keeps calling pot sized bets when you have the nuts and he has two pair...Just play the odds and make the money!

This is assuming a full table of course. In heads up, its usually a different story.

19-08-2007, 12:45 PM	#171 (permalink)
Jamee999 Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Leicestershire, UK Posts: 15,065	No - the King of Clubs would've given Bob the nut flush. __________________ Or something. RIP Fardin Qayyumi (AKA "cricket player"; "Bob"), 1/11/1990 - 15/4/2006

20-08-2007, 07:36 AM	#179 (permalink)
dontcloseyoureyes BARNES OUT Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: WILDCARD, BITCHES Posts: 27,701	You don't play tournaments though. __________________ The one, the only CW Black Code: 47.3 W Coppinger to Heads Smacked the ball straight into the groin of Iwuajoku who has fallen over, miraculously with the ball still caught in his scrotal area! Out! TO OUR FOREFATHERS

20-08-2007, 07:51 AM	#180 (permalink)
silentstriker The Wheel is Forever Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: USA Posts: 36,487	Bluffing is indeed a very small part of poker. If you just play good hands, you won't win a tournament but you'll go a lot further than if you keep bluffing. People don't realize that when you watch Poker on TV, you don't see the hands where everyone folds. You see the bluffs and the raises, which don't happen every hand, so people assume that bluffing is a much bigger part of the game than it actually is. If you bluff a lot, you'll start getting called a lot, and lose money. And the more you bluff the more chance you have of running into a great hand anyway. It should be situational. You need to pick the right moment to bluff, and generally a bluff should be targeted towards someone. I play sometimes and I see a guy bluffing by making a pot sized bet after the flop with 4 people still in the hand. There is a technical term for players like that: it's called 'bad'. Bluffing does tend to be a bigger part at the highest level as compared to the lower levels (though still not a huge part) because everyone at the higher levels knows pot odds and isn't going to give you great odds to make the call most of the time. At the lower levels, you don't have that, and considering a lot of people are just calling stations, your bluff gets called too much for it to be worthwhile. In fact, in any limit play less than $5/$10, I've found that bluffing at all actually reduces my profit/hour. At least where I go, the $10/$20 seems to be a line of sorts, so from there on out, you may need to bluff once in a while (targetted bluffs, a couple times an hour, if that). At lower levels, if you do anything but the rare bluff, you're just asking to lose money. I mean, why do you need to bluff if your table is consistently giving you 8:1 odds on your open ended straight draw? Or the guy who keeps calling pot sized bets when you have the nuts and he has two pair...Just play the odds and make the money! This is assuming a full table of course. In heads up, its usually a different story. Last edited by silentstriker; 20-08-2007 at 07:56 AM.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode

Similar Threads
Thread	Thread Starter	Forum	Replies	Last Post
OFFICIAL Northside Power Thread	Blewy	Cricket Web Premiership	610	23-07-2008 04:23 AM
OFFICIAL Central United Thread	Blewy	Cricket Web Premiership	394	22-07-2008 07:10 AM
Official NBA 2006-2007 season thread	Dravid	General Sports Forum	986	29-06-2007 03:31 AM
OFFICIAL Cricketweb Premiership Stats Thread!	Blewy	Statistics	50	09-04-2007 04:58 AM
Official Sydney Grade Cricket Thread	AussieDominance	Cricket Chat	24	20-06-2006 01:19 AM

19-08-2007, 12:57 PM	#172 (permalink)
open365 International Vice-Captain Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: liverpool Posts: 4,066	Touche, i always miss the suits on unconverted hand histories.

20-08-2007, 02:30 AM	#173 (permalink)
cover drive man International Captain Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Liverpool, England Posts: 7,049	My brother (Not andmark) has one of the most easy to recognise tells in the world.

Currently Active Users Viewing This Thread: 1 (0 members and 1 guests)