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    Australian flag not welcome at Sydney's Big Day Out

    http://www.theage.com.au/news/nation...330830818.html

    LABOR leader Kevin Rudd has presented a united front with Prime Minister John Howard, condemning the organisers of the Big Day Out music festival for asking people not to bring the Australian flag to the Sydney concert.

    As concert organisers yesterday backed away from reports they planned to ban the flag at the Sydney event, Mr Rudd used the issue to adopt Mr Howard's line that Australia is not a racist country.

    Big Day Out event producer Ken West was quoted on Monday as saying "the Australian flag was being used as gang colours. It was racism disguised as patriotism and I'm not going to tolerate it."

    But yesterday, in a statement posted on the Big Day Out website, organisers denied they had intended to "disrespect the symbolism of the Australian flag".

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    But Mr Howard said yesterday the flag did not cause violence and accused the Big Day Out organisers of "running their own political agenda".

    He also put the heat on NSW Premier Morris Iemma. Because the NSW Government owned the property on which the concert would take place, the Premier should make sure the "stupid ban does not in any way get implemented", he said.



    Quite a debate going on about this. Howard's comments are also quite interesting. Thoughts?
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    Predictable populist rubbish from every political figure who has been asked about the matter, really.

    Banning the flag would have been a poor move IMO, mainly because people should be able to carry the thing around if they want to, and it's really the people who were actually using it as "gang colours" and not the flag itself that was the problem in the first place. The right-wing press totally blew the issue out of proportion and invited every politician in the country to score some points over it, but nevertheless the BDO organisers didn't do a particularly good job of framing their "request", given that pretty much all the press in the country managed to portray it as an attempted ban rather than what they are now claiming it was meant to be.
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    Stupid politicising. It is the organisers wish what they want to allow and not allow. If the people feel offended or that it is unreasonable, they can opt not to come. Simple as.
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    Yeah poor move banning the flag, like it would be a poor move banning any articles of clothing (bar some of the obvious stuff) as Fuller said. However they can do whatever they like as a private function especially if they feel it is a practical solution to something that might become a big problem, so I'd see nothing wrong with that.

    However on the flag itself, you can't deny the images coming out of Cronulla and the implication that the flag takes on now in some circles. The way it is used by some is quite frankly disgusting.

    Time for a new flag imo. Never liked this one anyway and a new design could perhaps remove the racial implications the current one has. Also it’s ugly as.
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    yeah I agree, time for a new Australian flag.
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    Non-event IMO, just the media doing what they do best and Howard et al not helping anyone.

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    I think the REQUEST is fair given what has gone on recently and if they had banned it I would be a little worried about the state of freedom, but I think that if I was in a similar position to the BDO organisers I would consider discouraging flags being taken along.

    What politicians are saying is cheap point scoring and sickeningly similar to the blind patriotism in the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    ...the implication that the flag takes on now in some circles. The way it is used by some is quite frankly disgusting.
    Exactly the same for the St George's cross and the Union Jack here to be honest.

    The flags had to be 'claimed back' from the nationalistic types according to some people here and it was duly achieved at the footy WC where people went flag mental to a point of being annoying. Guess it served a purpose though.
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    I guess the BDO organizers should have worded it better, but I can't believe how this has been run with by the media.

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    The BDO organisers banned people taking in their own water (and charged exorbitant prices to buy in inside) a few years back and a young girl died of heat exhaustion (if I have it right). I am sure there other much more important things to worry about then flags, such as over crowding, drug abuse, and the extreme temps, expected
    You know it makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    The BDO organisers banned people taking in their own water (and charged exorbitant prices to buy in inside) a few years back and a young girl died of heat exhaustion (if I have it right). I am sure there other much more important things to worry about then flags, such as over crowding, drug abuse, and the extreme temps, expected
    In 2001 a girl died from being trampled during Limp Bizkit, but that was unrelated t heat exhaustion. As it is, they give out free water in the D Barrier (the mosh pit), and they regularly spray the crowd down with water.

    As for the flag ban, I don't really care tbh. Bit over the top on both sides, but the BDO organises can implement whatever kind of rules they want really.
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    Agree with the general sentiments being expressed here. Nothing more to add really.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andyc View Post
    In 2001 a girl died from being trampled during Limp Bizkit, but that was unrelated t heat exhaustion. As it is, they give out free water in the D Barrier (the mosh pit), and they regularly spray the crowd down with water.

    As for the flag ban, I don't really care tbh. Bit over the top on both sides, but the BDO organises can implement whatever kind of rules they want really.

    Okay, I thought I heard during the debate that one year they were making all people poor out their water before entering? (I am sure I heard this on triple J)

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Okay, I thought I heard during the debate that one year they were making all people poor out their water before entering? (I am sure I heard this on triple J)
    I think that might have been for Good Vibrations or Summadayze, or one of those sorts of events where there's generally a higher demand for water than alcohol.

    If you know what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox View Post
    I think that might have been for Good Vibrations or Summadayze, or one of those sorts of events where there's generally a higher demand for water than alcohol.

    If you know what I mean.
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