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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    basically we need a left faction, a right faction and an all the single ladies faction
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    Quote Originally Posted by benchmark00 View Post
    Bronwyn Bishop wasn't in the cabinet. She was shadow minister for some small port folios, but not cabinet.

    She now has the most cushy job in Parliament.
    also not a woman fwiw
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    There's an inherent problem when your Party's best and brightest young woman is Kelly O'Dire.

    I agree with the proposition that you pick your best people for the gig, however, it doesn't happen now anyway as there are always trade offs between factions, people to whom you owe favours and balancing unofficial quotas between, for example, states.

    The issue I suppose is whether it's right to draw a line between these things and balance them up, but not worry about it when it comes to gender. It's an interesting problem.
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    Who has been sworn in as the Minister for Alan Jones?
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    I agree on the whole with those that are arguing against quotas and affirmative action here etc. However to state that the cabinet has been chosen on merit is a bit misleading. Underperforming people were kept on, and as Spikey and Burgey have pointed out, factions, states of origin etc. all play a part too.

    I understand Benchy's point that the shadow cabinet got the Coalition in to Parliament, so why should it have changed. Well I guess the question is (as PEWS said so), why is it that the shadow cabinet didn't have as many females? Not in terms of why didn't Abbott choose more females in his shadow cabinet, but why aren't the Liberal Party getting higher performing females? You can't just ignore the issue. But I also agree you can't just simplify it by saying Abbott should have chosen more females either. Its a broader issue.

    To deny that this is a bad look for the Coalition is putting your head in the sand though. It is not a good start.
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    jono throwing down the gauntlet here
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    Liberals' 'despair' at jobs for boys

    Liberal candidate Andrew Nguyen says party treated ethnic candidates as 'second-class citizens'

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    Women and Ethnic Types apparently surprised than White Man party is party for White Men

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spikey View Post
    jono throwing down the gauntlet here
    In one single post I basically simultaneously agreed with Benchy, PEWS, Burgey and yourself.

    Kill me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    I agree on the whole with those that are arguing against quotas and affirmative action here etc. However to state that the cabinet has been chosen on merit is a bit misleading. Underperforming people were kept on, and as Spikey and Burgey have pointed out, factions, states of origin etc. all play a part too.

    I understand Benchy's point that the shadow cabinet got the Coalition in to Parliament, so why should it have changed. Well I guess the question is (as PEWS said so), why is it that the shadow cabinet didn't have as many females? Not in terms of why didn't Abbott choose more females in his shadow cabinet, but why aren't the Liberal Party getting higher performing females? You can't just ignore the issue. But I also agree you can't just simplify it by saying Abbott should have chosen more females either. Its a broader issue.

    To deny that this is a bad look for the Coalition is putting your head in the sand though. It is not a good start.
    Not as bad a look as your face. Why don't you stick that in the sand for a while?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jono View Post
    I agree on the whole with those that are arguing against quotas and affirmative action here etc. However to state that the cabinet has been chosen on merit is a bit misleading. Underperforming people were kept on, and as Spikey and Burgey have pointed out, factions, states of origin etc. all play a part too.

    I understand Benchy's point that the shadow cabinet got the Coalition in to Parliament, so why should it have changed. Well I guess the question is (as PEWS said so), why is it that the shadow cabinet didn't have as many females? Not in terms of why didn't Abbott choose more females in his shadow cabinet, but why aren't the Liberal Party getting higher performing females? You can't just ignore the issue. But I also agree you can't just simplify it by saying Abbott should have chosen more females either. Its a broader issue.

    To deny that this is a bad look for the Coalition is putting your head in the sand though. It is not a good start.
    Yeah I agree with this. I actually applaud Abbott for sticking to his convictions and principles in making what was always going to be a dicey political decision. Everyone in the decision-making process would've surely foreseen the reaction to only one woman being in the Cabinet but they did it anyway; not because they're outrageously sexist but because that was the right thing to do based on the merits of the situation.

    The actual selection of the Cabinet isn't the issue though; the issue is what's caused it. The chances of 18 of the best 19 being men by pure coincidence are basically too minute to bother considering so while I don't think Abbott has made any wrong choices, it suggests there's a problem with women being promoted within the party on merit further down the chain or (IMO the biggest factor) enticing as many capable women to the party who want to ambitiously pursue politics as men in the first place.
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    Not that I actually agree with it much at all but that's by far the best article I've read that criticises Abbott's Cabinet selection because it firstly actually offers specific examples rather than just citing the numbers and assuming wrong-doing and secondly acknowledges that it's not really a Cabinet selection problem as much as it is a Coalition female talent problem much deeper down the chain.



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