The Australian politics thread - Page 668

Spark · 20-02-2012, 04:36 AM

Someone ban Shorten from powerbroking and get him to just focus on policy.

**** me. The difference is staggering.

Jono · 20-02-2012, 04:54 AM

Missed Q&A. Can you elaborate Spark?

Spark · 20-02-2012, 04:56 AM

Last 15 minutes was basically dominated by Shorten giving some of the best expositions and defence of govt policy I've heard this term from a govt frontbencher (IR and NDIS - to be fair, his two pet issues).

First half hour was dross though, and devoted to one issue. Guess what it was.

Son Of Coco · 20-02-2012, 05:07 AM

It's hard to have a battle of the policies J.Bishop when one party isn't exactly sure what theirs are...I guess we can have it when the Libs eventually tell everyone what they're going to do just before the election.

(Edit: I'm in QLD, so we're about an hour (and 25 years) behind)

Spark · 20-02-2012, 05:08 AM

It wasn't a battle of policies though. It was simply him explaining what and why they have this policy. It was government politics 101, and it's been far too rare from Labor.

Son Of Coco · 20-02-2012, 05:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spark

It wasn't a battle of policies though. It was simply him explaining what and why they have this policy. It was government politics 101, and it's been far too rare from Labor.

I'm only half way through the show, wasn't responding to your post. Julie Bishop just mentioned a battle of policies in the part I'm up to.

Spikey · 20-02-2012, 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spark

First half hour was dross though, and devoted to one issue. Guess what it was.

I don't really think they needed to discuss the Ricky Ponting sacking imo

Son Of Coco · 20-02-2012, 05:24 AM

And we finally get to the point where we all have a laugh at the fact the Libs haven't got any policies. This is quite enjoyable.

Jono · 20-02-2012, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spark

Last 15 minutes was basically dominated by Shorten giving some of the best expositions and defence of govt policy I've heard this term from a govt frontbencher (IR and NDIS - to be fair, his two pet issues).

First half hour was dross though, and devoted to one issue. Guess what it was.

Cool, will check it out.

Shorten has always been awesome when he's on the front foot.

Burgey · 20-02-2012, 06:17 AM

Shorten is an effective communicator for a few reasons, one of which is he wields his power covertly. You know it's there, but he speaks in a direct, understated way.

Another is he isn't afraid to give back buckets to punters, a skill not practiced enough by contemporary pollies. He was on last year and got asked a question from some piece of Tory **** in the audience, and he was answering it when the questioner interrupted him. He just looked at him and said "Yeah well look, I'm really sorry to interrupt your question with an answer you dont like, but.." and kept going.

Should be more of it tbh.

Jono · 20-02-2012, 06:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Burgey

He just looked at him and said "Yeah well look, I'm really sorry to interrupt your question with an answer you dont like, but.."

One of his go-to lines, uses it fairly often.

He's like that in interviews too. Doesn't really duck questions as much as just says the question is stupid. Did it when there were questions raised about him being put into Cabinet and the fact his wife was Quentin Bryce's daughter. Basically just said "I'll disregard your attempt at humour" or something of the sort.

Spark · 20-02-2012, 04:24 PM

Think his colleagues are picking up on it too. Everyone seems a lot more combative in interviews this year.

howardj · 21-02-2012, 08:11 PM

Canberra's tectonic plates are currently shifting

Leadership to be spilled, Rudd to be sacked

benchmark00 · 21-02-2012, 08:16 PM

Seeing as those everyone seems to love doing the same thing when it comes to the Libs/Nats, I'd like to point out:

OK to be racist, says axed candidate

Labor eh.

stephen · 21-02-2012, 08:18 PM

Meanwhile, Anna Bligh tries to tell us that a 19 year old Labor candidate, who has been in the party for 4 years is an LNP plant.

I'm not sure that QLD Labor could blunder any harder if they tried. Their entire election strategy seems to be "convince QLD that they are going to win Ashgrove". Even their TV ads seem old and tired. Looking back to the floods to try and evoke some support for Bligh based on that. The LNP ads are actually looking forwards and offering their vision of the future.

I'd be fairly surprised if Labor win any seats outside public transport zone 3.

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20-02-2012, 04:54 AM	#10007 (permalink)
Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,551	Missed Q&A. Can you elaborate Spark?

20-02-2012, 04:56 AM	#10008 (permalink)
Spark Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: A Blood Rainbow Posts: 26,760	Last 15 minutes was basically dominated by Shorten giving some of the best expositions and defence of govt policy I've heard this term from a govt frontbencher (IR and NDIS - to be fair, his two pet issues). First half hour was dross though, and devoted to one issue. Guess what it was.

20-02-2012, 05:08 AM	#10010 (permalink)
Spark Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: A Blood Rainbow Posts: 26,760	It wasn't a battle of policies though. It was simply him explaining what and why they have this policy. It was government politics 101, and it's been far too rare from Labor.

20-02-2012, 05:24 AM	#10013 (permalink)
Son Of Coco Hall of Fame Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 16,061	And we finally get to the point where we all have a laugh at the fact the Libs haven't got any policies. This is quite enjoyable.

20-02-2012, 04:24 PM	#10017 (permalink)
Spark Global Moderator Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: A Blood Rainbow Posts: 26,760	Think his colleagues are picking up on it too. Everyone seems a lot more combative in interviews this year.

21-02-2012, 08:18 PM	#10020 (permalink)
stephen International Regular Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: aus Posts: 3,607	Meanwhile, Anna Bligh tries to tell us that a 19 year old Labor candidate, who has been in the party for 4 years is an LNP plant. I'm not sure that QLD Labor could blunder any harder if they tried. Their entire election strategy seems to be "convince QLD that they are going to win Ashgrove". Even their TV ads seem old and tired. Looking back to the floods to try and evoke some support for Bligh based on that. The LNP ads are actually looking forwards and offering their vision of the future. I'd be fairly surprised if Labor win any seats outside public transport zone 3.

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