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    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=278119

    Further reason to ignore anything Paul Keating says....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clapo View Post
    http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.aspx?id=278119

    Further reason to ignore anything Paul Keating says....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
    You'd do well not to stereotype the 'Left' as one, nor to assume Labor represents the left....many of those who identify with the left didn't believe the reports of WMDs, and with good reason.
    lol.

    Get over yourself mate. It's a commonly used term in politics. Just as people of the 'left' call the Coalition and Republicans and various country parties the 'right' (often pejoratively ). It's not stereotyping - it's common political vernacular.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac View Post
    Russia invades Afghanistan and we do nothing (just one example, I could give a dozen), Iraq invades Kuwait and we go to war, tell me why? I will tell you OIL

    The fact remains they invaded when they were told by the UN not to, and at the time the Labor party was against invading. Why did they invade, when Iraq was cooperating with the inspectors?

    Proud to say I marched against that invasion

    And facts are never unarguable, and I can't understand how people could not see the Oil connection?
    Again - you're not addressing the point. Clearly people do not have much intellectual capacity if they can not see that saying that securing energy supplies is a reason to remain in Iraq, does not mean that was the reason why we went in there in the first place. That was my point - and it's one you don't want to address, for whatever reason.
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    I still think it will be quite close. Obviously, nothing lasts forever, and 12 years is getting to the point where people look for a change. There's an old saying that just as people need a very good reason to kick out 'newish' Governments, they need a very good reason not to kick out 'oldish' Governments. And, after 12 years, you are old, politically speaking.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    lol.

    Get over yourself mate. It's a commonly used term in politics. Just as people of the 'left' call the Coalition and Republicans and various country parties the 'right' (often pejoratively ). It's not stereotyping - it's common political vernacular.
    Spare me the condescension, I know my way around 'common political vernacular'. The point (that you've completely ignored) is that a large section of the left, perhaps even the majority, didn't agree with the decision to go to war at the time and believed the premise for the war was based on a lie. It's irrelevant whether Rudd or the ALP went along with that view or not - you're using what they did to represent the left when they weren't representing the left at all. You're conflating one with the other, and thus you've given a dishonest portrayal of the situation.
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    So as a question from a neutral...is John Howard doing a good job?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mister Wright View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiery View Post
    So as a question from a neutral...is John Howard doing a good job?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dasa View Post
    Spare me the condescension, I know my way around 'common political vernacular'. The point (that you've completely ignored) is that a large section of the left, perhaps even the majority, didn't agree with the decision to go to war at the time and believed the premise for the war was based on a lie. It's irrelevant whether Rudd or the ALP went along with that view or not - you're using what they did to represent the left when they weren't representing the left at all. You're conflating one with the other, and thus you've given a dishonest portrayal of the situation.
    Who is the large section mate?

    Not France - even they too believed believed at the time there were WMDs, even though they were one of the most trenchant opponents of the war.

    Not the Labor Party or it's current leader who described the existence of WMDs as an empirical fact.

    I'd be interested to know who the large section is.

    Who, at that time, exactly?

    As I say, with the whole WMD thing, it's just revisionism gone mad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pasag View Post
    This is the official one.
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