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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Yes I'm watching it. Trioli is a LNP stooge and I hate Albrechtsen's politics.

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    Haha, yep, definitly would.

    Kinda started to develop into a Joyce vs Shorten slanging match which is a bit disappointing, neither walking away with a heap of cred IMO.

    Show has missed Jones as host tonight for sure - shame he's away for this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    You don't listen to her then. Can't say I blame you. She's horrible, like the undead.

    Look at Abbott on Lateline - "we have a plan" to reduce debt and for the economy. No mate, you've got jack ****. There isn't a plan there at all. You haven't got a single economic policy. The one statement Hockey made about cutting debt has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

    Why can't he acknowledge that the stimulus helped us dodge a bullet? **** head he is. They must have given away tickets to Oxford when he went - what a joke.

    Tell us what you will do Tone.. Come on, don't be afraid. Should be a cracker. Can't wait to hear the bile spew forth. The ghost of Bernie Banton will haunt that low life scumbag all the way to political oblivion.

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    What?

    All the Coalition need to say is 'Don't let Joolya Foolya'.

    Either she's as weak as piss and couldn't stand up to Rudd in the heat of the Kitchen (Cabinet), or she's a party to every hair-brain scheme that failed PM inflicted on the populace.

    Either way, the Sussex Street Death Squads!! are waiting for her first bad poll. lolzer

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    Quote Originally Posted by James90 View Post
    Was a good episode of Insight a few weeks ago where they interviewed asylum seekers, migration agents, Chris Evans, Philip Ruddock and the people who travel overseas to assess offshore claims.

    Ruddock was just on a completely different page to everyone else there.

    I am always puzzled by the argument that it's more humane to have draconian policies that act as a deterrent. Giving extremely unstable and emotionally crippled people a VISA which would allow them to be returned to the place they're fleeing at any time and denying them a family re-union is just cruel. Otherwise, lobbying countries with inferior human rights records to house them indefinitely is just stupid and sacrifices a lot of political capital.

    As long as the push factors exists there will be people out there risking their own lives in international waters.

    Stephen does have some semi-legitimate arguments against the Government's asylum seekers policies but unfortunately most of those who wish for a "tougher approach" either have a distorted understanding of Australia's intake of refugees to overall immigration, are completely racist or have this "I've paid tax all my life and these lazy 70 year old Afghanis with no house and no prospects get the aged pension? How dare they!" mentality. Often it's a combination or all three.

    What exactly is it about the current policy that would you change? Apart from the suspension of processing which is just ridiculous and cannot be sensibly justified regardless of what your overall opinion is on asylum seekers.
    If I was in charge, financial considerations aside I would reintroduce TPVs for asylum seekers who enter via illegitimate means, reopen Naaru, increase our refugee quota and build more publicly funded facilities to teach English and vocational skills. This would, of course, be very costly. I would not build public housing as that tends to cause grottos but would instead provide direct financial assistance and financial planning advice. With a refugee intake of around 20 000 per annum instead of the current ~10 000 p.a. this would cost several million dollars extra, but Australia's aid budget is already far below that of other comparable countries anyway.

    Of course I realise that if this was done it would alienate the left-wingers who would criticise it for being to harsh on boat entries and by right-wingers for being far too expensive. Well you know what, we have one of the highest standards of living in the world and one of the strongest performing economies. Less than a tenth of a percent of GDP can go to helping those other than ourselves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    You don't listen to her then. Can't say I blame you. She's horrible, like the undead.

    Look at Abbott on Lateline - "we have a plan" to reduce debt and for the economy. No mate, you've got jack ****. There isn't a plan there at all. You haven't got a single economic policy. The one statement Hockey made about cutting debt has more holes in it than Swiss cheese.

    Why can't he acknowledge that the stimulus helped us dodge a bullet? **** head he is. They must have given away tickets to Oxford when he went - what a joke.

    Tell us what you will do Tone.. Come on, don't be afraid. Should be a cracker. Can't wait to hear the bile spew forth. The ghost of Bernie Banton will haunt that low life scumbag all the way to political oblivion.

    Bring it.
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    Oh just want to add that I play cricket in a very redneck area and it annoys me no end when other players make racist and demeaning comments. Out here it comes with the territory really and it's not isolated to any particular political preference. I do loathe it though. Next season I'm thinking of joining a team closer to the city to be honest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stephen View Post
    If I was in charge, financial considerations aside I would reintroduce TPVs for asylum seekers who enter via illegitimate means, reopen Naaru, increase our refugee quota and build more publicly funded facilities to teach English and vocational skills. This would, of course, be very costly. I would not build public housing as that tends to cause grottos but would instead provide direct financial assistance and financial planning advice. With a refugee intake of around 20 000 per annum instead of the current ~10 000 p.a. this would cost several million dollars extra, but Australia's aid budget is already far below that of other comparable countries anyway.

    Of course I realise that if this was done it would alienate the left-wingers who would criticise it for being to harsh on boat entries and by right-wingers for being far too expensive. Well you know what, we have one of the highest standards of living in the world and one of the strongest performing economies. Less than a tenth of a percent of GDP can go to helping those other than ourselves.
    I like how you used the sensitive term "grotto" rather than the insensitive "ghetto"
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    Was a good Q&A. I thought Shorten vs. Joyce was pretty even, but if you give preference to substance rather than loudly barking one-liners that sound good in a pub, Shorten won comfortably on points. That Harold Mitchell guy was a waste of space - his "far-right" comment to Joyce pretty much summed up what a douche he is - Barnaby was rightfully annoyed. "I am not an extremist. I may be many things, a lazy-eyed red-neck, somewhat disnumerate, an extremist, but I am NOT a porn star".

    Was glad Shorten got a mention in for the National Disability Insurance Scheme, even if Joyce was kinda right about it being a good example of misdirecting a question. It is one of the most significant pieces of public policy in the past decade and would, perhaps more than any other proposal on the horizon for the government to address a problem affecting the population, make an immense difference to a large chunk of the population. The figure Bill quoted of 2 million people is pretty widely accepted, and in a quite cost effective way, it would directly improve the quality of life for those people. And Shorten is absolutely right - it's not going to get much media coverage whatsoever.

    It's the biggest issue on which I'm going to base my vote in the next election, and something I'm encouraging people to find out more about it, and hassle their local members as to whether they're for or against it. I'm including the link to the website dedicated to explaining the policy and what can be done to promote it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    I like how you used the sensitive term "grotto" rather than the insensitive "ghetto"
    haha so I did. Hmmm must have been all the Europe trip shots I was looking at last night.

    I did, of course, mean ghetto.

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    Speaking of that show...

    Lindsay Tanner Lied on Q and A

    This guy is the most overrated politician I have come across.

    He has presided over program cost blow out after blow out.

    But, wow wee, because he takes time to explain policies, he's revered as an intellectual giant.

    As with all Labor politicians, look at what they do...rather than concentrate on what they say.

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    And was a member of the Gang of Four which controlled a Government which Gillard admits 'lost its way'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Exactly.

    Just curious; anyone here actually know a 'queue jumper'? I know at least a few in the Sri Lankan community here in SA who spent 3+ years in Baxter and I guarantee, draconian policies or not, they were coming here regardless. Deterrents = meaningless. Pretty sure approx 2000/year has been the stable number for years of those arriving via unofficial channels and that changes in policy have meant precisely dick to those numbers. It's driven by what's bloody happening in those countries!
    It's a bit further back but my girlfriend's family came over in the years after the Vietnam War. There was trouble in their country, and their only thought was to find a better life somewhere. It's fanciful to think that poor folk in terrible situations sit there studying the policies of foreign countries to decide where to venture.

    Interestingly the strongest personal argument I've had with someone on boat people would be with the son of boat person himself. He's a rusted on Lib who owns a small business, but considering his background I found his position extraordinary.
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