The Australian politics thread - Page 258

Burgey · 22-03-2010, 09:55 PM

C'mon mate, even David Speers is saying Rudd "narrowly won". That means Abbott had his head handed to him. Why would he agree to the debate before he had a policy? Just left him having to be negative - then he produced that maniacal laugh which will no doubt get a good run in the election campaign too.

Was interesting to see how they both went - Rudd has had the benefit of these things from 07, was Abbott's first one. He (Abbott) far more suited to the off the cuff thant he prepared - as good as he is at the sound bite, he will need more than that before the election imo.

howardj · 22-03-2010, 10:10 PM

I didn't watch it, and therefore am not in a position to say who won. I did however follow it on a blog where the overwhelming view was that the worm did the same thing as it did in 2007 - went up just as Rudd began to speak, and went down before Howard barely said anything. Again, that's not a commentary on who actually won, just a commentary on the worm (which unfortunately many out there in punter land take seriously).

I just think it's sad that politics in AUstralia is reduced to that sort of thing.

Jono · 22-03-2010, 10:24 PM

Rudd won in 07 btw. Maybe the worm knows something

howardj · 22-03-2010, 10:35 PM

RE the worm operators...

The unemployed and university students are the only folk available at 11:30am on a Tuesday.

We all know who they vote for. lol

James · 23-03-2010, 02:31 AM

"'Waffle' v 'negativity' as Abbott and Rudd face off over health" from SMH

That describes the debate perfectly I tend to think.

stephen · 23-03-2010, 06:01 AM

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Originally Posted by James

"'Waffle' v 'negativity' as Abbott and Rudd face off over health" from SMH

That describes the debate perfectly I tend to think.

Sounds pretty accurate to describe Rudd vs Abbott regardless TBH.

age_master · 23-03-2010, 03:34 PM

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Originally Posted by howardj

I didn't watch it, and therefore am not in a position to say who won. I did however follow it on a blog where the overwhelming view was that the worm did the same thing as it did in 2007 - went up just as Rudd began to speak, and went down before Howard barely said anything. Again, that's not a commentary on who actually won, just a commentary on the worm (which unfortunately many out there in punter land take seriously).

I just think it's sad that politics in AUstralia is reduced to that sort of thing.

The worm hit Abbott hard because he didn't really have anything positive to say. The PM spoke well and clearly about a positive change that he wants to make, certainly one that is popular in Sydney, which i am assuming is where the worm people were (for Ch7 at least).

Matt79 · 23-03-2010, 04:18 PM

A natural assumption

howardj · 23-03-2010, 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by age_master

The worm hit Abbott hard because he didn't really have anything positive to say. The PM spoke well and clearly about a positive change that he wants to make, certainly one that is popular in Sydney, which i am assuming is where the worm people were (for Ch7 at least).

So when the worm moves before they even start speaking or just as they start to speak (up for Rudd, down for Abbott), you'd still say that the people operating it are objective?

Ausage · 23-03-2010, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by howardj

So when the worm moves before they even start speaking or just as they start to speak (up for Rudd, down for Abbott), you'd still say that the people operating it are objective?

Why do they have to be objective? People have opinions about Abbott, and if you accurately want to represent the mood of the electorate then you should be taking those opinions into account. It's part and parcel of picking a polarising person to lead your party.

Burgey · 23-03-2010, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by howardj

So when the worm moves before they even start speaking or just as they start to speak (up for Rudd, down for Abbott), you'd still say that the people operating it are objective?

Yeah, because they know Abbott's an arsehole.

Ausage · 23-03-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

Yeah, because they know Abbott's an arsehole.

I said it more diplomatically, but this is basically my point

howardj · 23-03-2010, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Ausage

Why do they have to be objective? People have opinions about Abbott, and if you accurately want to represent the mood of the electorate then you should be taking those opinions into account. It's part and parcel of picking a polarising person to lead your party.

The mood of the electorate is that currently, according to Newspoll, more people would give the Liberal Party their first choice vote than the Labor party. That certainly was not reflected in the make up of yesterday's audience.

They were meant to be responding to what the leaders were saying. That was their brief.

howardj · 23-03-2010, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Burgey

Yeah, because they know Abbott's an arsehole.

In stark contrast to Kevin.

Matt79 · 23-03-2010, 05:49 PM

Shoot the messenger...

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Burgey Cricket Web Staff Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: The Castle Posts: 35,138	C'mon mate, even David Speers is saying Rudd "narrowly won". That means Abbott had his head handed to him. Why would he agree to the debate before he had a policy? Just left him having to be negative - then he produced that maniacal laugh which will no doubt get a good run in the election campaign too. Was interesting to see how they both went - Rudd has had the benefit of these things from 07, was Abbott's first one. He (Abbott) far more suited to the off the cuff thant he prepared - as good as he is at the sound bite, he will need more than that before the election imo. __________________ WWCC - Loyaulte Mi Lie "People make me happy.. not places.. people" "When a man is tired of London, he is tired of life." - Samuel Johnson "Oh my God, there's a castle! A castle!"

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howardj International Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: brisbane Posts: 12,104	I didn't watch it, and therefore am not in a position to say who won. I did however follow it on a blog where the overwhelming view was that the worm did the same thing as it did in 2007 - went up just as Rudd began to speak, and went down before Howard barely said anything. Again, that's not a commentary on who actually won, just a commentary on the worm (which unfortunately many out there in punter land take seriously). I just think it's sad that politics in AUstralia is reduced to that sort of thing. Last edited by howardj; 22-03-2010 at 10:11 PM.

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Jono Request Your Custom Title Now! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Virat Kohli Posts: 47,501	Rudd won in 07 btw. Maybe the worm knows something

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howardj International Coach Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: brisbane Posts: 12,104	RE the worm operators... The unemployed and university students are the only folk available at 11:30am on a Tuesday. We all know who they vote for. lol

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