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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    While we're posting these questions, there's a few more I'm interested in seeing other views on.

    1) There is too much nudity and explicit sexual material on television

    2) People who enter Australia illegally and who claim to be a refugee should be detained while their claims are assessed

    3) Unions are the democratic voice of working people

    These are all issues where I came down strongly on the "left" side. The Unions one is a bit trickier than the other two IMO, because it's a statement which one could disagree with solely on the grounds of the corruption which has often been inherent in Unions over the years. In principle I definitely agree though, and it's something of a pet issue for me.

    I'm particularly interested in the second one, mainly to see if there's anyone on here who supports mandatory detention.
    1. I can't believe the hangups people have about nudity and sex. A hangover from all-pervading religion, IMO. At the same time, I'm not that bothered about the content on telly. If I want to see sex, I'll find some porno. More offended by the dire quality and patronising nature of TV shows in general.

    2. Obviously there's a need to protect national security, I mean, there are immigration laws for a reason. On the other hand there's no need to lock people up in the desert. A good balance would be to put them up in refugee centres in the cities, where they are free to come and go as they please, albeit closely monitored while their cases are sorted out. I'm pretty sure that's how it works here.

    3. This is a tough one. I definitely support the idea of workers combining for their common good, because there are a lot of exploitative companies out there. On the other hand, I am very wary of the mob mentality that infects unions, like in the story NZTailender told us. There seems to be very little tolerance within unions, if any, for members to make up their own mind or indeed express a dissenting view on a particular issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad View Post
    Don't really understand that attitude myself. The entire concept of taxation involves contributions towards the greater good, rather than your own personal needs. Something like funding for the arts (for instance) allows people with artistic ability to apply for grants or win prizes or whatever that are government funded, and begin a career they might not otherwise have been able to attempt, as well as obviously increasing the chances of people with artistic ability being spotted.

    I don't think we have a major problem with funding the arts in Australia, since we already do pretty well in that regard, so I can see why someone might have disagreed, but the argument that it's a waste of money to fund the arts if you yourself don't consume much art (which I'd imagine you do, but that's another issue) makes no sense to me. Does that also mean that it's a waste of money to pay taxes which go towards education if you don't go to school, or health care if you aren't sick? How about the military if you don't feel under threat, or the salaries of public servants? I don't personally use many government services at all, but that hardly means that they aren't worthwhile or that I don't have a responsibility to fund them.
    Ok in that respect, a 'waste' was the wrong word to use and I accept that. IMO I don't have a problem with paying taxes, otherwise I would have moved to the Cayman Islands or look for work in Dubai if I didn't want to, for all the stuff that it is needed, like roads, health etc. but I see the arts as towards the lower part of the food chain in terms of funding in the list of priorities.

    And the other thing I want to ask, what is so wrong with looking at trying to improve my personal needs/wealth? If I don't have to pay more tax, I won't and it isn't as though I'm the head of a major company who has the government by the balls demanding tax breaks or demanding a large incentive (monetry) from the government for each worke I hire to prevent me from going to Vietnam and paying a buck 50 an hour in wages, like what happens in America (and if you don't believe me, the US Government recently handed AMD $1.2b US or a $1m per employee, so that is obviously 1200 workers to prevent them from going to Taiwan to make their products at a fraction of the price).

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    Exactly my thoughts on the matter.
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    Whats the go with Shaik-El-Halihli(or however you speel it). He bassically said he will run for a seat against Morris Iemma in some shire i can't remember and now he is saying it won't be him running. Does anyone think he or whoever runs has a chance of getting the seat over the current NSW Priemier?? It is scary but imo he would be able to get some votes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luffy View Post
    Whats the go with Shaik-El-Halihli(or however you speel it). He bassically said he will run for a seat against Morris Iemma in some shire i can't remember and now he is saying it won't be him running. Does anyone think he or whoever runs has a chance of getting the seat over the current NSW Priemier?? It is scary but imo he would be able to get some votes.
    I doubt he would have much chance, but then hey, I don't know. Also it would depend on how safe his seat (lemma) is, which according to wiki it is as safe of an ALP seat as Ricky Ponting's spot in the Australian team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elector...ct_of_Lakemba).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    I doubt he would have much chance, but then hey, I don't know. Also it would depend on how safe his seat (lemma) is, which according to wiki it is as safe of an ALP seat as Ricky Ponting's spot in the Australian team (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elector...ct_of_Lakemba).
    Lakemba houses a fair few muslims do, dosn't it? I don't follow the Politics inside Sydney due to the fact there are far too many polititcions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luffy View Post
    Lakemba houses a fair few muslims do, dosn't it? I don't follow the Politics inside Sydney due to the fact there are far too many polititcions.
    It does, but you can only go off what has happened in the past, and nobody other then a ALP member has been the representive of Lakemba.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    It does, but you can only go off what has happened in the past, and nobody other then a ALP member has been the representive of Lakemba.
    I learn something new every day. I don't know much about politics but i guess there is always a chance isn't there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post
    Is there anybody on here who actually disagrees with Fuller? And why is it you agree so much?

    People complain about high taxes but then complain at the state of schools, hospitals, roads and other public amenities.

    To improve these, you need to raise taxes. he basically said everything I feel on the matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 16 tins of Spam View Post
    1. I can't believe the hangups people have about nudity and sex. A hangover from all-pervading religion, IMO. At the same time, I'm not that bothered about the content on telly. If I want to see sex, I'll find some porno. More offended by the dire quality and patronising nature of TV shows in general.

    2. Obviously there's a need to protect national security, I mean, there are immigration laws for a reason. On the other hand there's no need to lock people up in the desert. A good balance would be to put them up in refugee centres in the cities, where they are free to come and go as they please, albeit closely monitored while their cases are sorted out. I'm pretty sure that's how it works here.
    1) If people dont want to watch it on TV they can always turn it off. That said i would still say there is probably too much sex on TV, same as there is probably too much violence on the screen. Shows with that sort of content though can only be shown after a certain time - so i have no objections as long as it is regulated like that so its not easily accessable to young children.

    2) The reason that they lock people up is because if they dont they 'dissapear'. It should be noted that some are locked up in the city, others in the middle of nowhere. What would really help the situation for mine is if they sped up the process and could process them very quickly.

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    If you are going to put them in the 'bush' why not give them jobs so they have something to do and earn some money and be able to set themselves up while their process claim is done. I don't mean like in prison where they about $10-15 a week, but an actual proper wage.

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