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    Yeah, find it hard to feel sympathetic for them. Think straight outlawing it would be ineffective, and too intrusive (and generate an 'illegal' drug problem on a scale we haven't dreamt of atm), but think its fair enough that if people wish to exercise their freedom of choice, the government use its powers of taxation to make sure the cost of doing so aligns with the cost to society of them doing so.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Yeah, find it hard to feel sympathetic for them. Think straight outlawing it would be ineffective, and too intrusive (and generate an 'illegal' drug problem on a scale we haven't dreamt of atm), but think its fair enough that if people wish to exercise their freedom of choice, the government use its powers of taxation to make sure the cost of doing so aligns with the cost to society of them doing so.
    That's fine that they will pay for their hospital bill but what a load of hypocrisy given state governments have invested money in tobacco/gmabling/alcohol companies, it's a revenue raiser and not much else, tax junk food or people who are overwieght and likely to get type II Diabetes also....

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    As proposed the funds raised will be quarantined from the main budget, and reserved for the health system, saying that its just a revenue raiser is a bit steep.

    Doesn't really matter what governments have funded in the past if they're now moving to correct those errors. Or to look at it one way, just because you've done the wrong thing for a while, its hypocrisy to see the error of your ways and do an aboutface?

    In terms of impact on health, junk food is nowhere near as bad for you as ciggies - but in anycase, I agree that some form of extra taxation on junk food would be desirable. Would prefer tax rises to be used to promote positive social behaviour - outlawing stuff is undesirable, but accurately reflect the full price of items is the best way to achieve goals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    As proposed the funds raised will be quarantined from the main budget, and reserved for the health system, saying that its just a revenue raiser is a bit steep.
    Closed system [money in - money out= +- in revenue, either way someone will be taking political credit for it]. Perhaps it goes to the health system whilst other funds are spent on pink bat factories in key Qld seats....


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    We live in an inperfect world.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Redbacks View Post
    Another broken promise with regards to the Hospital 'symbolic spin' takeover
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    As opposed to Howard's policy of not announcing things and then doing them anyway:
    GST
    Iraq War
    etc

    (BTW, I'm not really that ironed on a ALP supporter by any means, I just like debating with you! )

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    I think Turnbull should have a read of The Art of War by Sun Tzu

    Thus the highest form of generalship is to balk the enemy’s plans; the
    next best is to prevent the junction of the enemy’s forces; the next in
    order is to attack the enemy’s army in the field; and the worst policy of all
    is to besiege walled cities. .....

    The general, unable to control his irritation, will launch his men to the
    assault like swarming ants, with the result that one-third of his men are
    slain, while the town still remains untaken. Such are the disastrous effects
    of a siege. ......

    Hence the saying: If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need
    not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the
    enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know
    neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle.

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    My second quote of the day:

    I have found organisations whose only thrust is economic-to make money. They don't usually publicise that purpose. They sometimes even publicise something else. But in their hearts, thier only desire is to make money.

    Whenever I find this, I also find a great deal of negative synergy in the culture, generating such things as interdepartmental rivalries, defensive and protective communication, politicking, and masterminding. We can't effectively thrive without making money, but that's not sufficient reason for organisational existince. We can't live without eating, but we don't live to eat.

    At the other end of the spectrum, I've seen organisations that focused almost exclusively on the social/emotional dimension. They are, in a sense, some kind of social experiment and they have no economic criteria to their value system. They have no measure or gauge of their effectiveness, and as a result, they lose all kinds of efficiencies and eventually lose their viability in the marketplace.

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    Fair Pay Commision has opted to freeze minimum wages at the current level for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Matt79 View Post
    Fair Pay Commision has opted to freeze minimum wages at the current level for now.
    So with inflation, it only took 18 months of labor for "real wages" to fall

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    Stimulus payments, tax cuts etc probably mean they haven't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig View Post


    Yeah thought the same thing when I read it.
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