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    Cricket Web Staff Member Burgey's Avatar
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    If anyone has access to the radio, I strongly recommend listening in to the House right now. It really is all happening.

    Hasn't been this entertaining since the great man was downed in 96.

    ****, Turnbull looks as happy as the captain of the Hindenburg.

    Bloody hell, now Hockey's speaking to it. Idiot - should keep his mouth shut - he may be the LOTO by week's end.
    Last edited by Burgey; 21-06-2009 at 09:53 PM.
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    So are they any odds on who will be the biggest scalps by the end of the week?
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    You can rule out Rudd. Turnbull didn't even move anything against him today.

    It's down to Swan or Turnbull now. Realistically, probably no one will go.
    Last edited by Burgey; 21-06-2009 at 10:12 PM.

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    ITBT, Rudd is possibly the last person I would like to see go (even though it won't happen) mid-term simply because it would likely mean Gillard is the new PM, yech.
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    Well, Gillard will be frothing that she's missing this. She'd absolutely love it tbh.

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    Genuinely sad this happened on HJ's birthday, but wow:

    Fake email may go to the heart of Turnbull’s office | Article | The Punch

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    Back At You

    Hasn't been a day like this since Howard's last day in 2007, when (the leaking of) Rudd's health scare was the subject of a censure motion.
    Last edited by howardj; 21-06-2009 at 11:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    Back At You

    Hasn't been a day like this since Howard's last day in 2007, when (the leaking of) Rudd's health scare was the subject of a censure motion.
    The only problem with the Oz (God Bless it) is that the headline omits the really important words from the body of the story, namely that the email is fraudulent.

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    But it was 'concocted by Treasury', and therefore not 'at the heart of Turnbull's office'.

    I think Turnbull has a decent argument here, that he can sell:

    - Rudd wanted an email produced, and it has been
    - It is from Treasury
    - It doesn't emanate from the Libs
    - And Swan has still mislead the Parliament.

    Whatever the minutiae, there is an email, and comes from the Government.

    A coat of paint has been taken off Rudd. The halo has been dislodged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    the email is fraudulent.
    Have the police said so, or just the media? As expected both sides are looking to cover their own a***s and nobody will do anything in the end. Turnbull should step down but the political points for Labor would be too great, to the point where the facts wouldn't matter anymore. He's should learn lesson 1, don't go shooting the mouth off without decent evidence.

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    Tanner would be a hell of a lot less embarrassing than Rudd or Gillard as PM IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    A coat of paint has been taken off Rudd. The halo has been dislodged.
    True, but now Turnbull has lost a lot of credibility also. Too much ambition, they sense the public tide has turned a little but have blown it!! I mean, there are gyms being built at schools that don't have enough classrooms, thus wasting $250,000 dollars, or at schools that just built a library/gym but will build one for the sake of it, a lack of means testing schools etc. etc.: that would much much better political debate on the theme of reckless spending.

    Perhaps that arguement has been neutralised by Labor's ability to show they have a plan (not completely convincing but plausible) to have the budget back in order by 2018. What we don't hear about is how much inflation will be used to devalue our assets and increase taxes without actually chaging brackets: to pay of government debt.

    Get letters from concerned teachers in over worked conditions complaining about the....oh wait it's the Liberal party we are talking about here The poor state governments always had a fall guy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    But it was 'concocted by Treasury', and therefore not 'at the heart of Turnbull's office'.

    I think Turnbull has a decent argument here, that he can sell:

    - Rudd wanted an email produced, and it has been
    - It is from Treasury
    - It doesn't emanate from the Libs
    - And Swan has still mislead the Parliament.

    Whatever the minutiae, there is an email, and comes from the Government.

    A coat of paint has been taken off Rudd. The halo has been dislodged.
    No mate, he can't run an argument like this:

    [last week] "Your office [the PMO] sent an email asking for influence. Resign! Resign!"
    [this week]"The email is a fake, but because it came from Treasury it still proves my point, even though it's a different department and it's a forgery".
    Hockey tried it this arvo, and it was dire.
    Quote Originally Posted by Redbacks View Post
    Have the police said so, or just the media? As expected both sides are looking to cover their own a***s and nobody will do anything in the end. Turnbull should step down but the political points for Labor would be too great, to the point where the facts wouldn't matter anymore. He's should learn lesson 1, don't go shooting the mouth off without decent evidence.
    AFP have confirmed it's a fabrication. Of course, the argument that follows now from that is "Of course Grech then went to and from Swan's office asking for help for Grant, because the false email requested he do so". Swannie walks away Scott-free, Ruddy takes the high ground, and Malcolm, well, Malcolm's in the Middle.

    And now, after the government telling the opposition they'll take as long as they want to debate whatever they want this morning, Turnbull's just moved another suspension of standing orders. It's a wonder the poor bastard can still stand up after today.
    Last edited by Burgey; 22-06-2009 at 01:51 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by James90 View Post
    I don't understand Matt's fixation with this and his labelling of SHY as a hippie. It's a one-off circumstance and the child was removed. Sure, she should have made other arrangements but honestly, show some respect. It's not like she sat there eating the thing.
    That's rubbish. I made one rant about it, then someone, SoC I think, asked a question which I answered. Hardly a fixation.

    And I know you know and like Hanson-Young, but I haven't called her a hippie. I said that I thought she was very much in the wrong in this case, and the attitude typifies why I dislike the Greens - because they're not a single issue party, but rather a party whose environmental policies come attached to a bunch of over the top 'social justice' agendas.
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    The AFP must love having to waste their time on crap like this whenever a bit
    of political silly buggers is going on. Not sure how it's a police matter anyhow.



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