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    Really, isn't that pretty much what happens now via proxy? You have those with the most knowledge on the issue working in the department anyway.

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    This economic crisis could be the making of Rudd. My tip is that Australia will not go into recession and, with interest rates dropping because of the need to stimulate the economy, Rudd will wipe away the doubts that people have about Labor's ability to manage the economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    This economic crisis could be the making of Rudd. My tip is that Australia will not go into recession and, with interest rates dropping because of the need to stimulate the economy, Rudd will wipe away the doubts that people have about Labor's ability to manage the economy.
    The U.S. based National Bureau of Economic Research (NBER) defines a recession more broadly as "a significant decline in economic activity spread across the economy, lasting more than a few months, normally visible in real GDP, real income, employment, industrial production, and wholesale-retail sales."[

    News flash - we're already in recession

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    Quote Originally Posted by howardj View Post
    This economic crisis could be the making of Rudd. My tip is that Australia will not go into recession and, with interest rates dropping because of the need to stimulate the economy, Rudd will wipe away the doubts that people have about Labor's ability to manage the economy.
    Doing a top-notch job to date - NOT

    $12 BILLION + PLUS funds frozen because of a knee jerk policy announcement > investors who were regarded as well-off and cashed up last week being advised to contact social security this week is a new low even for the Labor Party


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    Quote Originally Posted by social View Post
    Doing a top-notch job to date - NOT

    $12 BILLION + PLUS funds frozen because of a knee jerk policy announcement > investors who were regarded as well-off and cashed up last week being advised to contact social security this week is a new low even for the Labor Party
    Labor seem to be unwilling to admit their error in this regard. Their argument is that the guarantee of all bank deposits was made because decisive action was required, and that the finetuning that they have now been forced into (because some 180 000 people have had their non-bank deposits frozen) was all part of the plan. Therefore, in effect, they're saying that inconveniencing 180 000 people was all part of the plan! That is very difficult to believe. Fact is, they and the regulators, stuffed up deluxe. In their haste to be seen as decisive and get positive media coverage, they have massively inconvenienced and disadvantaged 180 000 investors.

    Further, Ken Henry's performance in Senate Estimates was bordering on arrogant. It's like he resented having his decisions subject to review, despite the fact that they affect millions of people. It's clear that there was some difference of opinion (between the Reserve Bank and other regulators) on the unlimited guarantee announced by the Government, but Henry seemed to be splitting hairs over whether this difference was a threshold (over which a fee would be levied) or a limit.

    To be fair though, Turnbull has been untidy as well- in supporting the unlimited guarantee; and then castigating the Government for it.

    Also, the media seem to have this idea that now, in times of crisis, that bipartisanship is the best way forward and produces the best policy - I beg to differ. Rather, critical analysis and questioning of Governmental decision making by the Opposition is the way to produce the best policy.
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    I don't think either side has covered themselves in glory with this so far.

    And I think the media seem as confused as the pollies on this one, given the crisis is different in nature to what's happened before.

    Certainly the guarantee has been clumsy, but politically they may well be able to wing it because the situation is so unusual.

    Turnbull has the harder job here of course, as does any opposition leader. You have to somehow maintain a position where you can onthe one hand criticise but on the other be empathetic to the actions of people who are plainly trying to do something about it. It isn't easy. Which is why one the one hand taking ownership of the guarantee one day then having a go at it a week or so later seems odd.

    Still and all, I don't think either side will necessarily cop a **** sandwich from teh punters over this.
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    Bishop caught plagiarising again...

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    What's she done now? Or are you talking about Desmond Tutu?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    What's she done now? Or are you talking about Desmond Tutu?
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    Internet filter to be trialled before Christmas;

    http://www.news.com.au/technology/st...014239,00.html

    Anyone wanna run that argument by me again regarding why we don't need a bill of rights in this country? Anyway, Steve Conroy = tool. We're talking about a net filter which customers don't want, ISP's are telling him won't be effective and will be ridiculously slow. Having been ignored so far, ISP's are opting in for thr trial purely so they have a stronger evidence base to reject it. Strongly suspect this won't go anywhere (thankfully) but how much money is being wasted proving what we already know?
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    Blocking out child pornography: Probably a good thing.

    Spending money on a filter that nobody wants and that can by no way cover everything: Pointless.

    Blocking out sites on euthanasia and anorexia: Disgusting.

    Double dissolution next year, anyone?
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    Quote Originally Posted by James90 View Post
    Blocking out child pornography: Probably a good thing.
    Not really directed at you per se but;

    - It can't be done. Changing links to bypass a filter = ridiculously easy
    - Child pr0n isn't generally accessed through the web due to its illegal nature. Stands to reason they'd prefer more clandestine methods like IRC, etc.

    Great piece written by a mate of mine on the topic. Can confirm the comments in the article that Internode was indeed contacted by Conroy's office, won't say more than that;

    http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...10/2414895.htm
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    Such an absolute joke of an idea. Wrong and unnecessary on so many levels.
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    First instalment of the four part series The Howard Years airs tonight.

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