The Australian politics thread

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

We will be back; Work Choices will be back. Costello will rule; Fuller will cry. Looking forward to Fuller crying more than anything else TBH.

Mate,

Been meaning to say this for a couple of wweks,but Alex Hawke (disgrace to that surname) looks like Andrew Strauss - what's his record like in Australia? Seriously right wing dude, but it's your prerogative.

Anyay, tjhank god it's over - IU;m so driunk right now i'm doing well to bve happy at all.

Rock on Kev.

Fair p;lay to howard ona good speech - first time he hasn'rt said "rthe people always get it right" though. hmmm.

Giod bless bernie banton. never inparliament but a labor herop anyways.

I'm ptoud of my party tongiht, but proud of aussies - i handed ot today and the lib guys/ gals were great - except one old bloke who was a pr*ck and wouldn't shake my hand. Hope he's had a heart attack - i asked him if he was nervous.

I have to give a special mention to HJ who has been a dead set legend through this. He's a good bloke and one for the trenches if I was ever in them . well donwe to you, and as I have thought over the past 11 years when we got beat time after time - mate,.the sky won't fall in - honest, it won't.

imo best thing for libs was turnbull getting in - h's charasmatic, has go in him, he's self made and he's moderate - will bring u back to the centre - Newhouse a dolt and Costello dead man walking.

anyway, seriously drubnk but glad its over. well done all - kept it civil, and thanks again to jackie kelly and her staffer standing inliundsay - you got no less than u deserved.

[Burgey]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

We will be back; Work Choices will be back. Costello will rule; Fuller will cry. Looking forward to Fuller crying more than anything else TBH.

Mate,

Been meaning to say this for a couple of wweks,but Alex Hawke (disgrace to that surname) looks like Andrew Strauss - what's his record like in Australia? Seriously right wing dude, but it's your prerogative.

Anyay, tjhank god it's over - IU;m so driunk right now i'm doing well to bve happy at all.

Rock on Kev.

Fair p;lay to howard ona good speech - first time he hasn'rt said "rthe people always get it right" though. hmmm.

Giod bless bernie banton. never inparliament but a labor herop anyways.

I'm ptoud of my party tongiht, but proud of aussies - i handed ot today and the lib guys/ gals were great - except one old bloke who was a pr*ck and wouldn't shake my hand. Hope he's had a heart attack - i asked him if he was nervous.

I have to give a special mention to HJ who has been a dead set legend through this. He's a good bloke and one for the trenches if I was ever in them . well donwe to you, and as I have thought over the past 11 years when we got beat time after time - mate,.the sky won't fall in - honest, it won't.

imo best thing for libs was turnbull getting in - h's charasmatic, has go in him, he's self made and he's moderate - will bring u back to the centre - Newhouse a dolt and Costello dead man walking.

anyway, seriously drubnk but glad its over. well done all - kept it civil, and thanks again to jackie kelly and her staffer standing inliundsay - you got no less than u deserved.

[Nnanden]

Honestly Fuller, looking back at the last few pages, you're so full of hate. It's ridiculous. Maybe life for you has been really poor under the Howard government, and I am honestly sorry if it has been, but if not it seems very, very ungrateful.

Well done to Rudd for making it very comfortably with a massive swing, he ran a great campaign. LOL @ our new Minister for the Environment. Yiiikes.

[pasag]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Mate,

Been meaning to say this for a couple of wweks,but Alex Hawke (disgrace to that surname) looks like Andrew Strauss - what's his record like in Australia? Seriously right wing dude, but it's your prerogative.

Anyay, tjhank god it's over - IU;m so driunk right now i'm doing well to bve happy at all.

Rock on Kev.

Fair p;lay to howard ona good speech - first time he hasn'rt said "rthe people always get it right" though. hmmm.

Giod bless bernie banton. never inparliament but a labor herop anyways.

I'm ptoud of my party tongiht, but proud of aussies - i handed ot today and the lib guys/ gals were great - except one old bloke who was a pr*ck and wouldn't shake my hand. Hope he's had a heart attack - i asked him if he was nervous.

I have to give a special mention to HJ who has been a dead set legend through this. He's a good bloke and one for the trenches if I was ever in them . well donwe to you, and as I have thought over the past 11 years when we got beat time after time - mate,.the sky won't fall in - honest, it won't.

imo best thing for libs was turnbull getting in - h's charasmatic, has go in him, he's self made and he's moderate - will bring u back to the centre - Newhouse a dolt and Costello dead man walking.

anyway, seriously drubnk but glad its over. well done all - kept it civil, and thanks again to jackie kelly and her staffer standing inliundsay - you got no less than u deserved.

[dontcloseyoureyes]

Haha, everyone's full with hate. Ever watched the news? ****, sheltered much.

[LongHopCassidy]

Originally Posted by Josh

Kevin, that is NOT a double-windsor knot!! That's it. You've lost my vote.

Haha, he's got three years to learn. Now.

[Nnanden]

Originally Posted by dontcloseyoureyes

Haha, everyone's full with hate. Ever watched the news? ****, sheltered much.

Know plenty of people that voted Rudd with twice the respect towards Howard than Fuller has shown.

Incidently, thought Rudd was great acknowledging Howard. Very nicely said. Crowd however...

[FaaipDeOiad]

Originally Posted by Nnanden

Honestly Fuller, looking back at the last few pages, you're so full of hate. It's ridiculous. Maybe life for you has been really poor under the Howard government, and I am honestly sorry if it has been, but if not it seems very, very ungrateful.

Well done to Rudd for making it very comfortably with a massive swing, he ran a great campaign. LOL @ our new Minister for the Environment. Yiiikes.

Ungrateful for what, exactly? I think he's been a poor prime minister and has made the country a worse place than it was before, and allowed others in his cabinet to do the same. I care deeply about a great number of political issues, and therefore about the way the political landscape in the country sits.

I wouldn't say I'm "full of hate" exactly, but as a politically active person who has seen someone with whom I disagree on almost every issue in power for 11 years, I'm pretty bloody happy that he's gone, and I think I have every right to be.

[Nnanden]

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Ungrateful for what, exactly? I think he's been a poor prime minister and has made the country a worse place than it was before, and allowed others in his cabinet to do the same. I care deeply about a great number of political issues, and therefore about the way the political landscape in the country sits.

I wouldn't say I'm "full of hate" exactly, but as a politically active person who has seen someone with whom I disagree on almost every issue in power for 11 years, I'm pretty bloody happy that he's gone, and I think I have every right to be.

How so exactly, in your opinion?

EDIT: Apologies for the harshness, but I'd genuinely like to know.

[Prince EWS]

Originally Posted by Burgey

Mate,

Been meaning to say this for a couple of wweks,but Alex Hawke (disgrace to that surname) looks like Andrew Strauss

Yeah, and you did. And I replied. I get it.

Originally Posted by Burgey

imo best thing for libs was turnbull getting in - h's charasmatic, has go in him, he's self made and he's moderate - will bring u back to the centre - Newhouse a dolt and Costello dead man walking.

Haha, Rudd and Turnbull as PM and leader of the opposition; there's really bugger all difference between them.

[social]

Australia and NZare the 2 greatest countries in the world BUT thank @#$% I'm living in a tax free environment for the next few years as both are going straight down the toilet in economic respects.

The financial markets have already spoken - Oz is gone until the next election

When will people learn that Labor couldn't manage a pissup in a brewery

[social]

Originally Posted by Prince EWS

Yeah, and you did. And I replied. I get it.



Haha, Rudd and Turnbull as PM and leader of the opposition; there's really bugger all difference between them.

One major difference - the latter knows how to make money and keep hold of it, the former comes from a party that pisses it up against the wall

No wonder the financial markets have crapped themselves!

[FaaipDeOiad]

Originally Posted by Nnanden

How so exactly, in your opinion?

EDIT: Apologies for the harshness, but I'd genuinely like to know.

Well, to begin with there's a whole range of actual policy issues where I think Howard has gone the wrong way. Things like his industrial relations reforms, privatisation of particular essential services and government bodies, certain biases in education funding, native title, domestic and international actions related to the threat of terrorism, and so on. And then there's the fact that he's essentially a social conservative and therefore I disagree with him on almost everything you could care to name in terms of basic social policy, which includes too many things to list, but a good example would be family law, where he's done his best to drag the country back into the dark ages in comparison to Keating.

In more general terms though, I think in the modern political age one of the major things a government can do, especially in a country like Australia, is attempt to shape a general social agenda for what sort of country we should be. For me, Howard's Australia was a massive step back, and he played a huge amount on people's fears and predjudices for his political success. Howard won more than one election by essentially convincing the public that the sky was falling, and IMO, it has a lasting effect. After Keating, who was in many respects an unusually cosmopolitan Prime Minister, Howard promoted himself as a safe return to the white picket fence days of yore, where everyone had the same ideas and the same colour skin, and you didn't have to think too much or worry about anything. It's an inherently dangerous attitude, and Howard's Australia left a bad taste in my mouth. I like this country a lot, but I think we're a much more insecure, xenophobic and intolerant nation than we were a decade ago, and a not insignificant part of the blame for that goes to Howard.

[burr]

Ha so happy right now. Was drunk, but now am happy. Greens obviously, but Labor will have to do :P

[social]

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Well, to begin with there's a whole range of actual policy issues where I think Howard has gone the wrong way. Things like his industrial relations reforms, privatisation of particular essential services and government bodies, certain biases in education funding, native title, domestic and international actions related to the threat of terrorism, and so on. And then there's the fact that he's essentially a social conservative and therefore I disagree with him on almost everything you could care to name in terms of basic social policy, which includes too many things to list, but a good example would be family law, where he's done his best to drag the country back into the dark ages in comparison to Keating.

In more general terms though, I think in the modern political age one of the major things a government can do, especially in a country like Australia, is attempt to shape a general social agenda for what sort of country we should be. For me, Howard's Australia was a massive step back, and he played a huge amount on people's fears and predjudices for his political success. Howard won more than one election by essentially convincing the public that the sky was falling, and IMO, it has a lasting effect. After Keating, who was in many respects an unusually cosmopolitan Prime Minister, Howard promoted himself as a safe return to the white picket fence days of yore, where everyone had the same ideas and the same colour skin, and you didn't have to think too much or worry about anything. It's an inherently dangerous attitude, and Howard's Australia left a bad taste in my mouth. I like this country a lot, but I think we're a much more insecure, xenophobic and intolerant nation than we were a decade ago, and a not insignificant part of the blame for that goes to Howard.

Agree with everything you've said, but do you seriously think anything will change for the better?

Unfortunately, as the opposition, you're only means of attack is criticism.

These guys have not come up with a single policy that can benefit Oz.

Gillard, for example, is a lawyer who used to work for the the Unions - this idiot couldnt even win their support and she's one of their own.

I've got got no love for Howard but the alternative takes us back to the dark ages.

Dont the idiots who voted for Labor realise that it was these same imbeciles that gave us 20% interest rates last time?

Mark my words - Oz is ****ed for the foreseeable future