The Australian politics thread

[Matt79]

Originally Posted by Son Of Coco

Although, I'm a bit of a conspiracy theorist when it comes to the oil...I think the only reason an alternative option hasn't been found now is that there's too many people benefiting from the sale of oil and it's big business. I have heard of other options being raised that haven't seemed to see the light of day so...I think we'll be ok.

Afraid I'm more cynical than that. Your argument about why an alternative hasn't been found is correct, but your believe there are alternatives already ready to go is wrong. People are, in fact, simply so dumb and greedy in a short-term way, that they're selling everyone's future. Its like mutual autoerotic asphyxiation and no-one seems willing to use their safe word...

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by Matt79

Afraid I'm more cynical than that. Your argument about why an alternative hasn't been found is correct, but your believe there are alternatives already ready to go is wrong. People are, in fact, simply so dumb and greedy in a short-term way, that they're selling everyone's future. Its like mutual autoerotic asphyxiation and no-one seems willing to use their safe word...

I've heard about electric vehicles that actually perform close to what we have now...I think there was even a show on tv here where one of them was demonstrated and it went ok. I'm not sure how long it lasted though...I have a feeling it was about 8 hours before recharge. I'd assume that this technology will only improve in the next 15 years.

I also heard that there was an alternative fuel available that was not completely oil-free etc but was better for the environment. Apparently it was developed outside the current controlling organisations reach though and a lot of fuel stations refused to make it available unless it was under their control (and thus subject to their own pricing structure I'd imagine)

I just wish I could remember where this info came from...I was told about it in general conversation...

I agree with the greed and stupidity issue though.

[Matt79]

If they'd remained a single issue party, rather than adopting some pretty dubious positions on other issues, I'd be tempted to vote Green at this election. But I disagree with them about pretty much everything except the environment, so...

[Nnanden]

Worried about both issues and I'm still probably not doing enough about it. No-one wants to take the time to map out a big plan is the problem. Everyone wants a quick fix, and there isn't one.

[Craig]

Joe McDonald got a right arse kicking by Kevin Rudd. TBH I would hate the idea of a union coming in telling me that since I'm not in a union I can't work, who gives them the God damn right to do that or tell me to get off the site? They would need to call the police and arrest me before I went anywhere.

I don't care if people want to be in a union, but they have no right to force somebody to join or you don't work. BTW that does happen on building sites for one...

[Johnners]

Thoughts from the NSW residents on the new "on-the-spot" fines?

Seems an interesting idea tbh, i can see the merits in it, but i can also see there are a number of difficulties that could arise from it.

[Matt79]

Missed that one - is there a link?

[Johnners]

I've been hearing about it on John Laws this week, but i'll see if i can get a link anyway

EDIT: Here we go

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...941029367.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...26/2071614.htm

[Mr Casson]

Sounded like an alright idea at first, but I think it's just Iemma doing something a little bit outside the square to make it look like he has any idea what he's doing (even if it is the foggiest). I think it's the SMH article that I read a few days ago, where they had a kid saying the fines were just going to make him and his mates do even more crap. It's atrocious policy as far as I can see; unless the fines are unaffordable there's no chance that they will have any effect.

[Johnners]

From my understanding the fines will be greater than usual, and according to Mirrors the main reason behind it is to get more police out on the streets, and reduce paperwork.

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by Clapo

I've been hearing about it on John Laws this week, but i'll see if i can get a link anyway

EDIT: Here we go

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...941029367.html

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2...26/2071614.htm

That's a concern

[Johnners]

Nah, Lawsy is gun.

[FaaipDeOiad]

Jesus Clapo. Give yourself a kick in the arse, son.

[Mister Wright]

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Jesus Clapo. Give yourself a kick in the arse, son.

He's a 60 year old in a 20 something year old body.

[Mr Casson]

Originally Posted by FaaipDeOiad

Jesus Clapo. Give yourself a kick in the arse, son.

Have to agree there - whether he's independent or not is irrelevant to me, I don't like people telling me what to think, which I get the feeling is essentially what people who listen to him do want.