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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    I think Kill Bill absolutely craps on Django. Django was supposed to be, like Inglorious Basterds, a favourable revisionist story-telling of an oppressive/evil time. But it becomes really cartoonish and hard to believe from the get-go. Although both can be gory, Kill Bill is much more engaging IMO in the story-telling and the tension is far more palpable throughout the movie as opposed to just a scene.
    This is what I don't get. How in the world is Kill Bill any more believable than Django? Take the scene where the bride kills the entire population of Tokyo, aka the Crazy 88's, in that night club. That wasn't cartoonish to you? Frankly over the top violence and plot situations is Tarantino's shtick. You either like it or you don't. I don't see how Django was any different from his usual fare.
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    Never got the Kill Bill love at all (first one was fun), unless Bill playing some stupid flute and telling a really boring story counts as engaging.

    Yeah Django is beyond ridiculous but who cares? It is supposed to be. Maybe I have lowe expectations of Tarantino than others so it does not really bother me when he makes films like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    This is what I don't get. How in the world is Kill Bill any more believable than Django? Take the scene where the bride kills the entire population of Tokyo, aka the Crazy 88's, in that night club. That wasn't cartoonish to you? Frankly over the top violence and plot situations is Tarantino's shtick. You either like it or you don't. I don't see how Django was any different from his usual fare.
    I don't really mean either are believable...but that one seems to come across as stupid. The unrealistic violence isn't what I am referring to.

    Kill Bill is like a real-motion Anime for mine; and it was obvious. I liked that. For what it was, it was brilliant and engaging.

    With Django it almost seemed like a realistic set-up that went lolbad quick. For what it was, Inglorious was far more watchable IMO. It's an alternative to what actually happened, but its not done in a way that insults the Jewish plight. In fact, the Jews generally love it.

    This on the other hand kind of seems insulting to African Americans IMO. I know Spike Lee has refused to watch it and I agree with him when he says “American Slavery Was Not A Sergio Leone Spaghetti Western". An African slave turning into the most badass cowboy seems a bit more contrived than usual. I don't think they'll have the same reaction the Jews had to Inglorious.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    I don't really mean either are believable...but that one seems to come across as stupid. The unrealistic violence isn't what I am referring to.

    Kill Bill is like a real-motion Anime for mine; and it was obvious. I liked that. For what it was, it was brilliant and engaging.

    With Django it almost seemed like a realistic set-up that went lolbad quick. For what it was, Inglorious was far more watchable IMO. It's an alternative to what actually happened, but its not done in a way that insults the Jewish plight. In fact, the Jews generally love it.

    This on the other hand kind of seems insulting to African Americans IMO. I know Spike Lee has refused to watch it and I agree with him when he says ďAmerican Slavery Was Not A Sergio Leone Spaghetti Western". An African slave turning into the most badass cowboy seems a bit more contrived than usual. I don't think they'll have the same reaction the Jews had to Inglorious.
    What

    Obviously it went bad quickly because he shot Di Caprio. What else were you expecting.

    And how is a bride turning into the most badass killer any less contrived who can kill someone in 6 moves or something.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Pothas View Post
    Really enjoyed Django I have to say, may not be a great film but it is just ridiculously entertaining. The masks scene really is one of the funniest things he has ever written.
    This pretty much sums up my feelings on Django.

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    "It's not great but it's really entertaining" sounds a bit wanky to me. If a film is really entertaining, then it's great in my books. That's what a film is primarily for.
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    Schindler's List is great but it sure as **** isn't entertaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    That's what a film is primarily for.
    Nah, different types of entertainment.

    visual stimuli vs absorbing cinematic experience

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Schindler's List is great but it sure as **** isn't entertaining.

    Jog on my young kiwi apprentice.
    Great films can be classy, well crafted but not be conventionally entertaining. I wasn't disputing that. I just disagreed that films which are pure entertainment/fun can't be considered great on their own basis as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned View Post
    Great films can be classy, well crafted but not be conventionally entertaining. I wasn't disputing that. I just disagreed that films which are pure entertainment/fun can't be considered great on their own basis as well.

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    They didn't argue against that point ****.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    What

    Obviously it went bad quickly because he shot Di Caprio. What else were you expecting.

    And how is a bride turning into the most badass killer any less contrived who can kill someone in 6 moves or something.
    She was an assassin before she was a bride.

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    Saw X-Men for the first time. Neatly encapsulates my problem with many comic book movies; all these spectacular looking powers with glorious CGI which don't actually do anything other than, y'know, look spectacular. There's no tension when the powers don't hurt anyone or even threaten them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    Saw X-Men for the first time. Neatly encapsulates my problem with many comic book movies; all these spectacular looking powers with glorious CGI which don't actually do anything other than, y'know, look spectacular. There's no tension when the powers don't hurt anyone or even threaten them.
    Yes... but.... Wolverine.

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    Was with a girl who really wanted to see Django, so I thought I'd give it another chance. I think I like it even less now. The plotline just seems so contrived and convenient; the characters lack depth, the protagonist's arc is just stupid - and ridiculously, he basically becomes the best gunslinger within 15 seconds of trying; and you really don't give a crap about the showdown. I was watching Inglorious on my computer just now and it is a much better film.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    Was with a girl who really wanted to see Django, so I thought I'd give it another chance. I think I like it even less now. The plotline just seems so contrived and convenient; the characters lack depth, the protagonist's arc is just stupid - and ridiculously, he basically becomes the best gunslinger within 15 seconds of trying; and you really don't give a crap about the showdown. I was watching Inglorious on my computer just now and it is a much better film.
    Art is subjective of course, so to each his own. Everything you listed above, save for becoming a gunslinger immediately, can be applied to both Kill Bill and Inglorious Bastards. I keep coming back to the fact that ALL Tarantino films have contrived and convenient plotlines. The characters are always way over the top and the protagonistís arc is always unbelievable. If you are looking for realism, clearly Tarantino is not your guy. If you are looking for style, dialogue, and immensely enjoyable characters, then Tarantino almost always delivers, including in Django.



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