Should America withdraw troops from Iraq immediately ?

[Salamuddin]

Every day American soldiers die in Iraq.....what's the death toll now 2000 or more like 3000 ?
Whatever it is it ain't pretty....and for all the high school age recruits dying there...completely worthless for American families.

Amercan and British corporations may have a different view altogether....

[age_master]

Withdrawing troops immediatley would cause Iraq to collapse completley.

[benchmark00]

Salamuddin - fair gun.


But in answer to the thread title... no.

[Salamuddin]

Originally Posted by age_master

Withdrawing troops immediatley would cause Iraq to collapse completley.

And it's in such a stable state now isn't it......

in 3 years of American occupation, the violence has only got a hell of a lot worse.

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by Salamuddin

And it's in such a stable state now isn't it......

in 3 years of American occupation, the violence has only got a hell of a lot worse.

No it hasn't.

[Salamuddin]

If it was all about freedom and democracy as the right wingers claim, then why not stay and finish the job in Afghanistan rather than start a new front altogether.....


I'll be interested to see what the BRits and Aussies think about this tho...given that their leaders wholeheartedly embraced the invasion but they are not suffering the same casualty rtes as the Americans beacuse their troops are mainly in the less violence prone Southern Iraq.

[Salamuddin]

Originally Posted by benchmark00

No it hasn't.

You're kidding right ?

Just about every day innocent civilians get attacked or killed in crossfire...every day American convoys are ambushed.....even ordinary Iraqis admit, that life is a lot more dangerous now than it was under Saddam's regime.

[Robertinho]

Salamuddin Janissar is the man to right these wrongs.

[Mr Casson]

Originally Posted by Salamuddin

You're kidding right ?

Just about every day innocent civilians get attacked or killed in crossfire...every day American convoys are ambushed.....even ordinary Iraqis admit, that life is a lot more dangerous now than it was under Saddam's regime.

Yeah, but what do we really know? The place wasn't a media circus until after the invasion.

[Salamuddin]

Originally Posted by Mr Casson

Yeah, but what do we really know? The place wasn't a media circus until after the invasion.

well ok...but no one can deny that since the invasion the violence has progressively worsened.

[Mr Casson]

Originally Posted by Salamuddin

well ok...but no one can deny that since the invasion the violence has progressively worsened.

Well not many can promulgate such a theory either, seeing as the media only took an interest after it became an international affair.

Fair enough, some Iraqis might say that the violence has worsened since the occupation, but when you look at the big picture it does not necessarily mean that violence has increased overall. Further deterioration could be limited to certain areas, while in others the situation has progressively improved - although naturally you wouldn't hear about those places on the News at Seven.

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by Salamuddin

well ok...but no one can deny that since the invasion the violence has progressively worsened.

It hasn't though. It's just that before the invasion they weren't reported for obvious reasons.

[IqbalJaved]

Originally Posted by Mr Casson

Well not many can promulgate such a theory either, seeing as the media only took an interest after it became an international affair.

Fair enough, some Iraqis might say that the violence has worsened since the occupation, but when you look at the big picture it does not necessarily mean that violence has increased overall. Further deterioration could be limited to certain areas, while in others the situation has progressively improved - although naturally you wouldn't hear about those places on the News at Seven.

Where has the situation improved per se....perhaps around Basra...but that area was not particularly violent to begin with....in any case, there are no real indications of any success...most Iraqis consider to be the new government to be an American puppet just like Sadam's one was.

Iraq needs fair and free elections...not one with American interference.

[age_master]

Originally Posted by Salamuddin

If it was all about freedom and democracy as the right wingers claim, then why not stay and finish the job in Afghanistan rather than start a new front altogether.....

I dont know how many American's are still in Afghanistan but there are still plenty of Aussie troops over there - some (Being the SASR) are still regularly involved in supportting operations - mainly intel gathering.

There are also a whole stack of engineers rebuilding bridges and the like.

You must realise though that most of the fighting in Afghanistan is centralised around a small number of areas and the country as a general rule is much more stable then Iraq.

[IqbalJaved]

I guess a lot of this revolves around why you believe the invasion took place...if it was to ensure the security of American interests,,,,,well that's on pretty shaky ground.

But obviously there could well be less public and more strategic factors at play.