Time for Blair to go?

[Pothas]

Ever since he anounced that he would not serve a fulll third term Blair's departure date has been much talked about. With a spait of bad headlines and a very bad local election results is Blair's time finaly up. I am not sure whether his dramatic cabinet reshuffle was an act that was supposed to restamp his autority (he is rumoured to have atempted to move Kelly and Straw after the 2005 election) or an act of desparation in wake of recent events. Brownite Mp's have been callling for a clear timetable of depature, the sooner he hands over the better. But knowing Mr Blair he will want to leave on his terms.

[Scaly piscine]

He should go and take the rest of the Labour Party with him - nobody in their right mind would give any of them any more responsibility than your average shelf-stacker would get. Virtually every single one of them is either morally bankrupt or hysterically inept or both.

[Pothas]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

He should go and take the rest of the Labour Party with him - nobody in their right mind would give any of them any more responsibility than your average shelf-stacker would get. Virtually every single one of them is either morally bankrupt or hysterically inept or both.

Not true

Considering every Party now has the same ideology so there isnt much choice i would say we could get a lot worse than Labour. The econemy has remained pretty good for 9 years. Mr Prescott clearly fits your description although i dont care about his "moral bankrupcy". Kelly is a dreadfull politician who should get nowhare near government and Patricia Hewitt is just iritating but apart from that they are ok really.

I feel a bit sorry for Charles Clarke really, afterall we release muderors and rapits every day of the week the only difference is that these ones happen to be foreign. Ok they should be deported but running the country is actualy rather difficult and i dont think it is a sackable offense.

[steds]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Virtually every single one of them is either morally bankrupt or hysterically inept or both.

How many politicians are there who aren't?

[luckyeddie]

I'm only seeing SP's comment second-hand because frankly I wouldn't take him off <ignore> for all the monkeys in Hartlepool, but his anti-labour diatribe doesn't surprise me.

It's obvious nonsense that all socialists are morally bankrupt, as equally it's obvious nonsense that all Conservatives are right-wing reactionary neo-fascists who would like to compulsorily sterilise everyone who doesn't share their own twisted, parrot-fancying, scrabble-playing, Thatchler-worshipping way of life.

I once met one who was nice.

[Pothas]

Originally Posted by luckyeddie

I'm only seeing SP's comment second-hand because frankly I wouldn't take him off <ignore> for all the monkeys in Hartlepool, but his anti-labour diatribe doesn't surprise me.

It's obvious nonsense that all socialists are morally bankrupt

......there are socialists in New Labour?

[luckyeddie]

Originally Posted by Pothas

......there are socialists in New Labour?

That depends what you mean by 'in' New Labour.

I would still regard Dennis Skinner as a man of principles - he's probably the only one left.

[Jungle Jumbo]

No - I'd prefer Blair with Brown in the back seat for another year or so. I think Blair was trying to gradually hand over power, but the events of the last couple of months have changed things a bit and a change now would smack of internal Labour panic (not that todays reshuffle hasn't). Blair has had a fairly decent run - only really blighted by Iraq (which - justified or not - he had little choice over) and the usual internal problems which have only recently come into effect.

Plus, I can't trust Cameron. Anyone who thinks that he can promote environmental friendly travel by riding to the House of Commons on a bike minus a helmet is clearly not setting an example to the nation.

[Samuel_Vimes]

Originally Posted by Jungle Jumbo

Plus, I can't trust Cameron. Anyone who thinks that he can promote environmental friendly travel by riding to the House of Commons on a bike minus a helmet is clearly not setting an example to the nation.

Didn't he have a guy driving behind him with the suit and documents?

[Piper]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

Virtually every single one of them is either morally bankrupt or hysterically inept or both.

Just described very politician in the world.

If Blair goes and Labour loses the election in a few years time, whose gonna replace them? A party who promises a lot but never delivers. They are all as bad as each other.

[Matteh]

If there was a general election tomorrow i'd vote Labour easily.
Tories are a no go - i'm pretty far left and Cameron just seems to be very pragmatic by overdoing it on the look i'm Green too issue that's up atm
Lib Dems are just the inoffensive centrist party but basically aren't worth voting for as they're not a real alternative.

There was no point me voting in my local elections - i was given the choice of Tory or Independent (who is also very right wing) so i refused to vote even though i know i should given the acts of the Chartists.

[Goughy]

So glad I left the country a number of years ago and do not have to pull my hair out and deal with the politics (not talking Labour or Con but just generally).

I used to get so stressed and now my life is so much better without getting upset by what happens in government.

Its so much easier for stress and sanity levels to live in another country where you do not really care about their issues and problems.

Sad to say, I dont think I can ever see myself living in the UK again (hope my mum does not read this as she will be very upset)

[Scaly piscine]

Originally Posted by Matteh

If there was a general election tomorrow i'd vote Labour easily.
Tories are a no go - i'm pretty far left and Cameron just seems to be very pragmatic by overdoing it on the look i'm Green too issue that's up atm
Lib Dems are just the inoffensive centrist party but basically aren't worth voting for as they're not a real alternative.

There was no point me voting in my local elections - i was given the choice of Tory or Independent (who is also very right wing) so i refused to vote even though i know i should given the acts of the Chartists.

It's a fairly obvious choice really, you can have Labour who're like the Tories in their policies except Labour are *proven* to be inept scum as well as surviving off an economy they inherited, with a massive tax burden and yet no improvement in the public services.

With the Tories the worst you could get is basically the same sort of results, sleaze etc. as the current government, but with much lower taxes.

[Matteh]

Originally Posted by Scaly piscine

It's a fairly obvious choice really, you can have Labour who're like the Tories in their policies except Labour are *proven* to be inept scum as well as surviving off an economy they inherited, with a massive tax burden and yet no improvement in the public services.

With the Tories the worst you could get is basically the same sort of results, sleaze etc. as the current government, but with much lower taxes.

The Tories proved in their last stint that they were inept scum - made an absolute ****-up of the economy, various hidden shenanigans (thinking of Major), Archer, to an extent the Belgrano thing....Tories are the kings of tax hikes too once in power.

The country needs an actual left-wing alternative instead of three parties which are barely discernable atm.

[Goughy]

Originally Posted by Pothas

I feel a bit sorry for Charles Clarke really, afterall we release muderors and rapits every day of the week the only difference is that these ones happen to be foreign. Ok they should be deported but running the country is actualy rather difficult and i dont think it is a sackable offense.

It ranks very, very high in terms of screw-ups and a Minister is responsible for the actions of their department. It is most definately, without a shadow of doubt, a case for resignation.