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    A story out of the USA some Pharmacists are now refusing to fill prescriptions on moral grounds. Things such as birth control pills and morning after tablets.

    Should they have to change professions?

    Or should they be allowed to make a moral judgement?
    You know it makes sense.

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    change professions. you're there to give out perscriptions, not preach
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    You can't just railroad your morals onto someone else, I say fire them.

    Perhaps with marinade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by archie mac
    A story out of the USA some Pharmacists are now refusing to fill prescriptions on moral grounds. Things such as birth control pills and morning after tablets.

    Should they have to change professions?

    Or should they be allowed to make a moral judgement?
    They should get the hell out of the profession, or be sued for every cent they have (I hate litigation, but in this case I'd be prepared to make an exception).

    If it is true, it is an utter disgrace. What they are doing (under the circumstances) is questioning the doctor's judgment on moral or any other grounds - something they are not qualified to do so.
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    Totally agree with you guys

    Besdies, they're gonna lose a lot of business

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    This has been happening for some time in the US - I've even heard stories of it starting to become an issue here in Australia - particularly in rural areas, which is the worst scenario - because, at least in the city, you can easily go somewhere else a block or two away.

    In some ways it's like the w@nkers that want to give creationism equal time to evolution in biology classes. There is a line that I consider acceptable - for instance, a surgeon that refuses to perform abortions. But refusing to sell contraceptives? Even if they were serving an exclusive community that shared their beliefs, it'd be problematic.
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    The more I think about it the more ridiculous it seems

    How can the government allow this to happen ??? (It always comes back to the government)

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    Quote Originally Posted by burkey_1988
    The more I think about it the more ridiculous it seems

    How can the government allow this to happen ??? (It always comes back to the government)
    Difficult to say this without offending someone, but I'll try (to offend as many as possible ).

    How's about the fact that they themselves rely on the Christian fundamentalists for their position in office in the first place, and they're terrified of upsetting them?

    America seems to be run by the Christian Taliban.

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    Quote Originally Posted by luckyeddie
    Difficult to say this without offending someone, but I'll try (to offend as many as possible ).

    How's about the fact that they themselves rely on the Christian fundamentalists for their position in office in the first place, and they're terrified of upsetting them?

    America seems to be run by the Christian Taliban.

    the church in the US has serious problems, but i think more of a problem might be that the Church in the US seems to jump on whatever issue seems to be fashionable at the time, so this sort of thing will come and go abit.

    From a christian point of view; while i would certainly not agree with people using those sorts of things, they can if they want, and pharmacists are there to provide that service, wether they like/agree with it or not, they dont want to do it they should try another profession.
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    How can the government allow this to happen ??? (It always comes back to the government)
    If there's one thing Johnny Howard's government will NEVER do is tell a business person how to do their business.. That's why I reckon we're unlikely to see any government action on this.

    I dunno, I'm a bit torn - whilst I think that not making contraceptives available is pretty narrow (and certainly in SL's rural example, even more so), I'm not a big fan of dictating the morals to someone selling the products of what is inherently an immoral industry (as far as price vs benefits for most pharm drugs). I don't know, maybe I'm a bit coloured by having worked for one of these monsters (a pharm company, I mean) but if I were a pharmacy owner, you wouldn't see Viagra in my shop. Then again, the whole 'get out of the industry' argument has some merit (I mean, I did exactly that) but I'm uncomfortable with government intervention on this one.

    I don't agree at all with the position of people who don't make something like contraceptives available but government regs saying "You must sell product x" is dangerous. For example, whose Product X gets sold? You can't have them all because there are far too many. How about a company who the Liberal cronies have shares in? I understand the protection of the customer by making contraceptives available but what right do pharm companies have to such protection? And of course, other industries would want something similar in order to have 'equal representation' in businesses they wouldn't ordinarily have access to. How about forcing organic shops to sell GM food despite the moral objections of the owner?

    This is one of the problems with a privatised markteplace of essential things like medicine, really. I've been called a commie for this but I think essential medicines (essential for health of individual and collectively) shouldn't be sold by pharm companies; I think things such as contraceptives, heart medicines, anti-retroviral drugs etc., etc. should be government dispensed in an ideal world. That way, you only access them if you need them and no-one is forced to sell anything they don't want to. Yes, it necessitates the government making a moral decision in a sense but they do it with so many other things (eg refusing to remove 'under God' from legal proceedings and the constitutional preamble, etc.). Hey it can't work but it's the ideal, I think.
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    I think that the worker should switch jobs, People should not be able to preach and change other people in their belief system. If they think birth control is fine then so be it, they should not be judgemental.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Love™
    This has been happening for some time in the US - I've even heard stories of it starting to become an issue here in Australia - particularly in rural areas, which is the worst scenario - because, at least in the city, you can easily go somewhere else a block or two away.

    In some ways it's like the w@nkers that want to give creationism equal time to evolution in biology classes. There is a line that I consider acceptable - for instance, a surgeon that refuses to perform abortions. But refusing to sell contraceptives? Even if they were serving an exclusive community that shared their beliefs, it'd be problematic.
    You wouldve seen this story on Today/Tonight or A Current Affair, hey?. It's from the town i live in, (the case thats been over the news that is) and i personally know the guy who is refusing to sell the products in question. I dont know him THAT well but yeah. I think it's the owners choice to what they do and do not sell, they dont have any obligation to the community in that respect, however, they shouldnt be pushing their beliefs upon anyone.
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    There was a famous story along these lines around a while back, not long before the US election. A woman went to a pharmacy to get a morning after pill, on the morning after, as it were, and he refused to sell it to her, thereby forcing her to find another pharmacy or miss out on the time window in which the pill is effective and therefore risk pregnancy. His company defended him briefly before folding and firing him.

    As far as I'm concerned, it's not only unprofessional but in fact a dereliction of duty from someone with an obligation to his customers. It's not as though people go to the pharmacy casually... quite often the things sold there are necessary for medical reasons, and refusing to sell them to a customer who might need them should, in my opinion, be illegal.
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    As far as I'm concerned, it's not only unprofessional but in fact a dereliction of duty from someone with an obligation to his customers.
    Not selling the customers 'the pill' isn't life-threatening. I'm failing to see where a pharmacist has any 'obligation' to sell anything to anyone. Pharmacists don't take any oaths and they're not doctors. Their obligations end at making sure they don't give someone with hypertension some Sudafed. They're in it (let's face it) for the money they can make. They might think that their choice to sacrifice profits for their eternal soul is a small price to pay. I personally don't believe in any of that stuff but who am I to stop someone else from exercising their democratic rights to sell what they want and what is to stop other industries from asking for similar protections of their products (see organic example above)?

    People want to talk about real immorality? How about not listing any contraceptive pills on the PBS but listing Viagra for $28 a packet (as opposed to the usual $70)? How about pharmacists not providing generic alternatives for expensive essential medicines?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    Not selling the customers 'the pill' isn't life-threatening. I'm failing to see where a pharmacist has any 'obligation' to sell anything to anyone. Pharmacists don't take any oaths and they're not doctors. Their obligations end at making sure they don't give someone with hypertension some Sudafed. They're in it (let's face it) for the money they can make. They might think that their choice to sacrifice profits for their eternal soul is a small price to pay. I personally don't believe in any of that stuff but who am I to stop someone else from exercising their democratic rights to sell what they want and what is to stop other industries from asking for similar protections of their products (see organic example above)?

    People want to talk about real immorality? How about not listing any contraceptive pills on the PBS but listing Viagra for $28 a packet (as opposed to the usual $70)? How about pharmacists not providing generic alternatives for expensive essential medicines?
    I think that opens up a whole copyright v moral obligation debate, which im sure noone wants to get into. I mean, you have your side of things, where we have the little old granny who needs her medicine (no jokes, voltman) and cant afford it, but what about the research company who have discovered the medicine and spent millions of dollars, youre just going to discourage technological advancements in that area. i think its 15 years or something before a generic brand can become available? could be 25, i really cant remember, but its certainly a complex matter. Theyre my thoughts, although they bring nothing to the table haha
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