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    Freedom of the press ?

    There are quite a lot of posters on the forums aspiring to a career in journalism. I'd like to know their views on the American journalist who refused to reveal the source who leaked the true identity of a lady as a CIA agent. The lady happened to be the wife of a strident critic of the war on Iraq, and blowing the cover of a CIA agent is a criminal offence in the US. Personally, I think she deserves the jail sentence shes getting. Freedom of the press and guaranteeing anonymity of a souce cannot be a shield for a criminal offence.
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    Have you got a link to this story as it sounds interesting?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craig
    Have you got a link to this story as it sounds interesting?
    yeah Craig:


    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...062700489.html


    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8525978/site/newsweek/

    Slightly out of date, but gives the story.

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    Freedom of the press doesn't exist because the criticism of different ethnic groups is not tolerated (As Mr. Kilroy rather stupidly found out in his ill informed rant against islam) .. Freedom of speech is the ability to criticize as well as to take criticism AFAIK
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    its perfectly allowed in america, as long as you dont try to incite any sort of hatred you can express your views as you like, whatever they may be, and yes quite right, that fool kilroy fell foul of the fact that you cant get away with that here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Langeveldt
    Freedom of the press doesn't exist because the criticism of different ethnic groups is not tolerated (As Mr. Kilroy rather stupidly found out in his ill informed rant against islam) .. Freedom of speech is the ability to criticize as well as to take criticism AFAIK
    Its a fine line between criticism and slander, though...

    But in essence, I do agree with you. But maybe criticism doesn't need to be applied so specifically towards certain racial/religious groups? Its not the religion that is causing all these problems, its the fanatacism. The religion is just an excuse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    Its a fine line between criticism and slander, though...

    But in essence, I do agree with you. But maybe criticism doesn't need to be applied so specifically towards certain racial/religious groups? Its not the religion that is causing all these problems, its the fanatacism. The religion is just an excuse.
    It was a pretty appalingly worded article.. I don't think he was that hateful, just trying to get some votes, and being pretty stupid about it

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    The lady happened to be the wife of a strident critic of the war on Iraq, and blowing the cover of a CIA agent is a criminal offence in the US. Personally, I think she deserves the jail sentence shes getting. Freedom of the press and guaranteeing anonymity of a souce cannot be a shield for a criminal offence.
    Who are you talking about? It was Karl Rove who revealed who Valerie Plame is.

    But in essense I agree; Karl Rove should be in much deeper pooie than he is for that. Imagine if she'd been murdered before she get out of Saudi Arabia?

    EDIT: Errr, I mean Robert Novak.

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    the bloke is a total berk basically.

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    As for protecting sources, no reporter should have to fork over their sources. This can put sources lives at risk! Much like Police informants. However, this is different; it's pretty well known in reporting circles that reporting the real name or pseudonym of an undercover agent of any agency is an offence and/or who ever did the revealing or encouraged/facilitated the revelation, should be prosecuted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    As for protecting sources, no reporter should have to fork over their sources. This can put sources lives at risk! Much like Police informants. However, this is different; it's pretty well known in reporting circles that reporting the real name or pseudonym of an undercover agent of any agency is an offence and/or who ever did the revealing or encouraged/facilitated the revelation, should be prosecuted.
    yup. Thats my point too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    Who are you talking about? It was Karl Rove who revealed who Valerie Plame is.

    But in essense I agree; Karl Rove should be in much deeper pooie than he is for that. Imagine if she'd been murdered before she get out of Saudi Arabia?

    EDIT: Errr, I mean Robert Novak.

    Shut up, Corey.
    Don't worry, you're right anyway - Rove was confirmed as Cooper's source, and was almost definitely Novak's source (he actually has some history of leaking information to Novak).

    I'd like to see Rove go to jail. Don't think it'll happen though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vic_orthdox
    Its a fine line between criticism and slander, though...

    But in essence, I do agree with you. But maybe criticism doesn't need to be applied so specifically towards certain racial/religious groups? Its not the religion that is causing all these problems, its the fanatacism. The religion is just an excuse.
    "The Arabs are a people of suicide bombers, women repressors and limb amputators who have given the world nothing but oil"

    That is not freedom of speech. That's being a racist bigot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neil Pickup

    That is not freedom of speech. That's being a racist bigot.
    Yes it is freedom of speech... Not that idiots like Kilroy should be priveliged to it..

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