What religion are you?

[psxpro]

Dont you agree that its stupid that it says you should kill people if they follow another religion?

[Mister Wright]

Originally Posted by andyc

by the way--- very much a hypothetical question here--- if someone's a christian and is somewhat of a b*stard, and someone else isnt christian but a really good guy, and assuming christianity is 'right' and theres a heaven, does the b*stard get into heaven over the non-christian?

I think you only get into heaven if you give yourself to God. If you have given yourself to God and commit some awful crime you are forgiven by God for some reason. But someone who doesn't give themself to God and is a wonderful person doesn't go to Heaven.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by Mister Wright

I think you only get into heaven if you give yourself to God. If you have given yourself to God and commit some awful crime you are forgiven by God for some reason. But someone who doesn't give themself to God and is a wonderful person doesn't go to Heaven.

wow that sucks

[Buddhmaster]

Originally Posted by Mister Wright

I think you only get into heaven if you give yourself to God. If you have given yourself to God and commit some awful crime you are forgiven by God for some reason. But someone who doesn't give themself to God and is a wonderful person doesn't go to Heaven.

If God is real, why can't he show us what heaven is like. Would be interesting.

[SJS]

Originally Posted by Mister Wright

Well, what about the sentiments of the non-believers? Being told their opinion or belief is wrong...isn't that not being mindful of people's sentiments?

Its different to be told you are wrong and totally different to name the things (holy books), the personalities (real or imaginary), the relics of the religions, the places(considered holy by those people and then say derogatory things about them.

You may know something very derogtory about my father or my mother but it is wrong of you to say it on my face even if it happens to be true and it doesnt serve any purpose. It is not the same thing as telling me that you think what I believe in is wrong.

[Mr Casson]

Originally Posted by andyc

i believe in science myself. mankind came from evolution, which came from the big bang. eventually, well die out just like every other species has/will. whether thats from the earth crashing into the sun or nuclear war or whatever, were gone sooner or later.

as for the meaning of life, in my life i wanna try to have fun, but help people. i dont need a supernatural power or a book to tell me that.

Personally, Andy, I believe that science and religion are very much related. Only weirdos think that the bible is completely historical fact.

I believe that science is evidence of "God's" hand in our creation. Like you, I don't believe in letting scriptures dominate the way I will live my life, but I appreciate that some people find more meaning in them than I ever will. I think that fundamentally, Christians just want to be good people. That's their main angle, and it's the same as any other religion. Unfortunately, Catholicism as a whole carries too much baggage for me to associate myself with.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by Mr Casson

Personally, Andy, I believe that science and religion are very much related. Only weirdos think that the bible is completely historical fact.

I believe that science is evidence of "God's" hand in our creation. Like you, I don't believe in letting scriptures dominate the way I will live my life, but I appreciate that some people find more meaning in them than I ever will. I think that fundamentally, Christians just want to be good people. That's their main angle, and it's the same as any other religion. Unfortunately, Catholicism as a whole carries too much baggage for me to associate myself with.

yeah theres no harm in trying to be good people, of course, and its in this aspect where religions are good. once it travels beyond the whole 'be nice, dont kill, steal, lie, etc.' then, to me, its pointless, and too restrictive.

[Mister Wright]

Originally Posted by andyc

wow that sucks

It only sucks if you believe there is a heaven, which pretty much means you can do whatever you like as long as you go to church every Sunday (even if its in prison) you'll be right.

If you don't believe in heaven, then you've got nothing to worry about.

[Mister Wright]

Originally Posted by SJS

Its different to be told you are wrong and totally different to name the things (holy books), the personalities (real or imaginary), the relics of the religions, the places(considered holy by those people and then say derogatory things about them.

You may know something very derogtory about my father or my mother but it is wrong of you to say it on my face even if it happens to be true and it doesnt serve any purpose. It is not the same thing as telling me that you think what I believe in is wrong.

Yes, but everyone has different tollerence levels. What may seem offensive to you, may not seem offensive to me. So you saying that my belief is wrong is offensive to me. I apologise if I was offensive to you, but I believe psxpro did nothing wrong in asking a valid question about something in the bible.

[Mr Casson]

Originally Posted by andyc

yeah theres no harm in trying to be good people, of course, and its in this aspect where religions are good. once it travels beyond the whole 'be nice, dont kill, steal, lie, etc.' then, to me, its pointless, and too restrictive.

You're definitely right there. Religion is in 99% of cases a reflection of where one was born anyway.

I try to stay out of these conversations because I have very complicated spiritual beliefs that work for me - I don't like to enforce myself on other people and I'm not sure I could explain it if I tried. But I think it's a very interesting subject to reflect on in my own head.

[Buddhmaster]

I'm thinking i've gotta post a ****-load of hot women in Hottest Women to slow this down.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by Mister Wright

It only sucks if you believe there is a heaven, which pretty much means you can do whatever you like as long as you go to church every Sunday (even if its in prison) you'll be right.

If you don't believe in heaven, then you've got nothing to worry about.

oh yeah it doesnt effect me. im just saying, that doesnt seem very right or fair to me.

[SJS]

Originally Posted by psxpro

Dont you agree that its stupid that it says you should kill people if they follow another religion?

It is wrong for anyone to say that you should kill. One doesnt have to belong to any religion to realise that. Nor do people need to be told that it is wrong. The fact that the christians on this forum started defending and saying no the bible does not say that, shows that at least they dont believ in this , whether the bible says so or not. Then what are you trying to prove by saying that....
How can you seriously follow a thing like the bible when it says to kill anyone that follows another religion

Clearly, though they follow the bible, they dont follow this bit (if at all it is in the Bible). Maybe there are other things in the Bible which appeal to them and they follow the Bible for that reason.

Why should you pick up one thing from the Bible (if it exists) and wave it around and question their belief.

I do not think it is possible to have a religion a thousand or more years old (this would cover all major world religions) and not be able to find some things which appear so very wrong today. We dont go about throwing those things at each other.

In fact, we do and most of the wars of the world have been because of this tendency.

Its easy to pick up what appears wrong in another persons faith and pick up whats right in ones own. But if you can see what is wrong and what is right, use it and your judgement to follow the path you believe it guides you to. You dont need to do more than that.

If you are a Muslim and believe there are some beautiful things in Islam , as surely there are, go ahead and tell all of us about them. But dont speak ill of the symbols of other religions which others hold as holy and talk ill of them. It serves no purpose whatsoever. You are not making a revelation !!

[andyc]

Originally Posted by Mr Casson

You're definitely right there. Religion is in 99% of cases a reflection of where one was born anyway.

I try to stay out of these conversations because I have very complicated spiritual beliefs that work for me - I don't like to enforce myself on other people and I'm not sure I could explain it if I tried. But I think it's a very interesting subject to reflect on in my own head.

yeah youre right, especially about the first part--- most devout christians would be devout buddhists or jews or whatever if they were born in a community that practiced that religion.

[Robertinho]

I'm interested to hear what everyone's views on abortion and the death penalty are.