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    Honour Killing : Still allowed in Pakistan

    A bil to remove Honour Killing (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Honour_Killing) was defeated in the Pakistani Parliament (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4311055.stm)

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    Yup, not right.

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    Secondly, you cannot expect to have the common law, the anglo-saxon law and the so-called Islamic shariat law co-existing in harmony - It is bound to create a stew of embarrasing legal loop-holes such as this one. (Not to mention the horrific rape case secnario that was touted in the eighties by Zia)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg
    Secondly, you cannot expect to have the common law, the anglo-saxon law and the so-called Islamic shariat law co-existing in harmony - It is bound to create a stew of embarrasing legal loop-holes such as this one. (Not to mention the horrific rape case secnario that was touted in the eighties by Zia)
    Can you expand on the above mentioned scenario?


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    That's prety pathetic. I didn't realise Pakistan was so behind the times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhmaster
    That's prety pathetic. I didn't realise Pakistan was so behind the times.
    There are not behind,You will see some many countires behaving like that,it is not just pakistan,
    Bob is very insane stay away from him

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    Yeh but I thought Pakistan was a more modern country.

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    In some tribal areas, Pakistan is still very, very behind. Same with India and most of the subcontinent for that matter.

    A lot has to do with Education, and the people in the big cities are often very liberal and tolerant and most are well educated, but in the tribal areas education is a big problem hence lifestyle is a big problem and these fundamentalist values and barbaric rituals are still continuing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Buddhmaster
    Yeh but I thought Pakistan was a more modern country.
    The border connected between pakistan and afghanistan,People has There own laws,They arent exactly pakistanis neither afghanis,They are pathans who are more into there lawys

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    Wow, that's extremely horrible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg
    Secondly, you cannot expect to have the common law, the anglo-saxon law and the so-called Islamic shariat law co-existing in harmony - It is bound to create a stew of embarrasing legal loop-holes such as this one. (Not to mention the horrific rape case secnario that was touted in the eighties by Zia)
    I'm not sure of the case you're referring to, but in regards to your statement regarding a mixing of various legal systems, you're spot on. As a student currently studying law I've had to research different systems worldwide, and analyse their diffs/sims and advs/disadvs, and its very hard for it all to mix and gel into one system. Very hard indeed.

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    Saw a documentary on this a few years back and it left be shocked (National Geographic in 2002 IIRC).

    A father killed/tortured his own daughter in the name of 'honour' because he saw her in bed with her boyfriend and accused her of being a 'whore' - crazy stuff. They interviewed one women who had been tortured by her husband (he got sent to jail), had lost her nose, bit/if not all of her ear, and lost an eye because her husband caught her holding hands/chatting to another man, and went over board. They followed her on the way to the US with her brother so she could prosetic (sp) surgery.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Beleg
    Secondly, you cannot expect to have the common law, the anglo-saxon law and the so-called Islamic shariat law co-existing in harmony - It is bound to create a stew of embarrasing legal loop-holes such as this one. (Not to mention the horrific rape case secnario that was touted in the eighties by Zia)
    You're completely right, and it's a great illustration of why religious "laws" have no place in the laws of the State. Incidentally, reading the article Pratyush provided, the penalties for honor killing are still far too low at minimum. Although none of that matters when you still allow the families of the parties involved to settle these matters through recompense themselves. Ironically, the defeat of this bill would be considered libertarian in some circles.

    With regards to the rape case scenario, are you referring to the Hudood Ordinance? I read that it allows stoning and whipping of women who participate in extra-marital sex, including rape victims, many of which are imprisoned because they were raped. It also stipulates that two female witnesses have the value of one male witness in sexual crimes, and that it takes four male witnesses to be deemed sufficient to make the case that a woman has been raped.

    Pretty horrific stuff - if people are curious about this, there's an article about it here:

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    It a Horrible act and should be outlawed

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