The Gay Marriage Debate

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by broncoman

the problems will start when gay marriages are allowed, where will it end, in 20 years will u be allowed to marry your cousin, in 50 years u can marry your siblings and in 100 years u can marry a parent. It may not go that far, but whos to say it wont happen...

And none of those things have any similarities to gay people being allowed to marry, unless you're under the impression that gay people are all somehow related.

I just don't understand where the caveman attitudes come from when it comes to gay people. If gay marriage was legalised tomorrow absolutely nothing in my life would change one little bit....how do you presume to be affected?

Gay marriage is legal in some parts of Europe and from what I saw, at least in attitude, those countries are somewhat further advanced than we are, and there hasn't been a gay take over yet either funnily enough.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by lord_of_darkness

No its aiite.. cauz its a male and female ..

But who says marriage should only be between a man and a woman?

[Simon]

Originally Posted by Son Of Coco

And none of those things have any similarities to gay people being allowed to marry, unless you're under the impression that gay people are all somehow related.

I just don't understand where the caveman attitudes come from when it comes to gay people. If gay marriage was legalised tomorrow absolutely nothing in my life would change one little bit....how do you presume to be affected?

Gay marriage is legal in some parts of Europe and from what I saw, at least in attitude, those countries are somewhat further advanced than we are, and there hasn't been a gay take over yet either funnily enough.

they dont indeed, but could u imagine 50 years ago someone suggesting same sex marriages, it was considered so wrong, are we getting to the stage where its anything goes?

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by Slats4ever

it really depends on the indiviual son of coco. I feel that like what nibbs suggested earlier instead of marriage their should be some legal bond... where people who aren't placing religious importance on their marriage can still have the same rights... however marriage is a religious celebration imho

But what if it has no religious significance to the people involved? As I said re: tradition, some people view it simply as this and the fact that it's in a church is part of that tradition. A marriage by a celebrant would surely be ok....if the church held the high moral ground re: homosexuality that is.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by broncoman

they dont indeed, but could u imagine 50 years ago someone suggesting same sex marriages, it was considered so wrong, are we getting to the stage where its anything goes?

No, we’re getting to a stage where we’re not so closeminded

[lord_of_darkness]

But who says marriage should only be between a man and a woman?

Mum, dad , family , bible..

[Slow Love™]

Originally Posted by Slats4ever

but i then question if those people know and appreciate the history and what is involved with the actual marriage service!! hmmm the more i think abuot it the mroe i'm starting to come around to the other side's views though!!! I just think their should be some distinction between religious marriage and non religious ones

There is. One takes place in a religious institution, and the other doesn't. My wife and I are legally married, and there wasn't a chuch or a minister (or a word about god) to be seen.

Legally, we have exactly the same protections that anybody involved in a religous marriage does. IMO, the Church doesn't have to allow same-sex marriages - but the State, being secular, should.

[andyc]

Originally Posted by lord_of_darkness

Mum, dad , family , bible..

But then that goes back to what boybrumby said-- what if a guy and a girl don’t believe in the bible, can they still get married?

[social]

Originally Posted by masterblaster

Well if two consenting adults 'in love' want to be legally recognised and socially recognised as a married couple, then I dont see who or what should stop them.

It's the couple's life, let them live it out the way they want to.

Too true.

Just because "convention" doesnt like it wont stop someone from being gay.

Live and let live.

[lord_of_darkness]

But then that goes back to what boybrumby said-- what if a guy and a girl don’t believe in the bible, can they still get married?

yes because according to the nations morals and values.. which are set on religion ofcourse.. they can marry.. religion doesnt stop them.. except they can chose to embrace whatever religion they chose in the sanctity of marriage..

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by broncoman

they dont indeed, but could u imagine 50 years ago someone suggesting same sex marriages, it was considered so wrong, are we getting to the stage where its anything goes?

60 years ago certain people in one of the countries that is now ok with gay marriages thought it was a good idea to get rid of jewish people and aim for a 'master race', surely if they can move on so can we....it's apparently offensive now to see a parade involving gay people, but we've had meatheads rioting in Sydney because two of their friends were silly enough to steal a car and they crashed while being chased by the police.....and this is ok...I don't think using ideals from 50 years ago sets a strong argument against gay marriage. Being in the dark re: these issues doesn't provide a strong argument either way.

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by lord_of_darkness

yes because according to the nations morals and values.. which are set on religion ofcourse.. they can marry.. religion doesnt stop them.. except they can chose to embrace whatever religion they chose in the sanctity of marriage..

so why should religion stand in the way of gay people? I find it hard to believe that someone who apparently loved all His children said.........oh, except those two guys hugging in the corner....then again, maybe He was only human after all.

[James90]

I don't see what the problem with gay marriages is! If they're committed to each other then go for it. I am however strongly against a gay couple adopting

[andyc]

Originally Posted by Son Of Coco

so why should religion stand in the way of gay people? I find it hard to believe that someone who apparently loved all His children said.........oh, except those two guys hugging in the corner....then again, maybe He was only human after all.

Amen

[benchmark00]

There is a principle that states that Church and State should remain seperate, so i see nothing wrong with Gay couples marrying, however i just think the adoption of children, and access to birth technology should be very much limited (religious reasons mainly)... However, Gay people already basically get the same rights as married couples anyway, because theyre living in De-Facto relationships, so all they want is recognition through marriage, so i say, give them the certificate.