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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    No-one has argued that at all (from what I can see, anyway). The question is whether NOT having both a male and female influence is detrimental to a child's development and I think you'll find there's no evidence to suggest it is. There is some evidence to suggest that some developmental abnormalities occur with single-parent households but it's been suggested that competing demands (high workload to maintain a household on one's own, for example) are where the shortfall occurs. It's been suggested many times that two parents, regardless of gender, will largely result in a balanced child, as balanced as with a male and female anyway.

    The point remains; a child with both parents of the same gender is not demonstrably disadvantaged when compared to a child with heterosexual parents.

    As for the ideas of Piaget and Freud, don't clamp onto them too tightly until you read authors like Vygotsky. Both Piaget and Freud (admittedly ahead of their time) ignore the importance of community and outside influences in determining personality and Piaget ties his theories too tightly to genetic influence.

    Oh and by the way; Piaget was also an atheist.



    Explain homosexuality before external lubrication, etc. and therefore explain homosexuality in other phylum then. If that was the case, there'd be no homosexual people, right? They would have bred themselves out by now, right? So, explain why they continue to exist. They're too prevalent to be merely random mutations on the 'gay gene' (if it actually exists). There has to be an evolutionary reason for it or it would have stopped appearing long ago as it is (evolutionarily speaking) self-defeating.

    At this point I get confused; are you arguing a biblical perspective, a psychological perspective, a personal perspective or something else? And your statement about lesbian sex suggests you watch too much porn and don't know any (or many) lesbians. Tell me I'm wrong.
    good post... do u have msn if u do add me (ikky_1@hotmail.com)... we can argue about it there rather than cluttering it up...

    as i said before the actual sexual act of homosexuality is not what i'm talking about here... i'm just trying to say that it's meant to be heterosexually done... that's how our creators created us...

    My perspectives are a little bit of everything... and it's why i personally believe in and i'm a kinda stubborn guy..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    The only way you could believe that the notion of marriage is degraded is if your notion of marriage is of an exclusive club which includes men and women only.

    Tell me then; what degrade the institution of marriage more; homosexual couplings or heterosexual couplings who marry out of convenience or don't actually love each other?
    i think both of these types of marriages degrade the notion of marriage and i'm more having a go at society and their attitude towards marriage here... rather than homosexuals...

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    good post... do u have msn if u do add me (ikky_1@hotmail.com)... we can argue about it there rather than cluttering it up...
    Will do. Bit busy at the minute.

    as i said before the actual sexual act of homosexuality is not what i'm talking about here... i'm just trying to say that it's meant to be heterosexually done... that's how our creators created us...

    My perspectives are a little bit of everything... and it's why i personally believe in and i'm a kinda stubborn guy..
    Your personal belief of homosexuality as distasteful is a bit different to what you're arguing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    Will do. Bit busy at the minute.



    Your personal belief of homosexuality as distasteful is a bit different to what you're arguing.
    it all kinda ties in! in my mind it does nyway... rather than continue massive arguments here i think that we should just agree to disagree...


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    it all kinda ties in! in my mind it does nyway... rather than continue massive arguments here i think that we should just agree to disagree...
    I disagree!

    Seriously, seeing a discussion on paper (on a screen, really) helps people understand their own positions.

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    yeah it does... i understand where u're coming from equal rights and all... and if people get their kicks and love out've homosexuality then good luck to em...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    hmmm ur missing my point... whilst i don't necassarily agree with homosexuality if that's where they get their kicks then good luck to them...

    maybe what i'm trying to say is that the notion of marriage is something that is becoming degraded... i posted earlier in this thread about what I thought marriage was...
    It possibly is, but how do you know every gay couple won't cherish the notions of marriage and all that it represents? Given that it means different things to different people that is - not sticking strictly to the religious definition.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    Dasa... i'm scared of you... you're very very simplistic and basic. if you think that my views on gay parents effects me as a child psychologist... umm i don't really know what to say...

    Top_Cat I'm studying at Macquarie University... I'm studying B Arts Psychology and Dip Education (where I'm currently studying educational psychology directly pertaining to children)... To make sure we're on the same page I'm a big believer in the philosophising of Freud and Piaget. They offer very similar views on how children develop and at that age ur right... they are influenced heavily by their parents... I don't know, but i find it hard to believe that anyone would want to be shielded from the influence that a female or a male can provide... as they're totally different people...

    Of course heterosexual sex was planned by our creators. Anal sex usually requires lubrication which isn't naturally produced by the body, lesbian sex usually requires strap ons etc but i don't wanna go into any more detail... The male has something hanging there which gets hard to put in a female like a key... it's obvious. Therefore nature is quite clearly telling us how it should be conducted
    There seems to be a few people on here that have done psych....well, only 2 or 3 actually but still.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    that's not the point... what i'm trying to say is that the natural way to have sex is heterosexually. that's the way our creators created it.... i don't care if they do it or not.. but the notion is that it's supposed to be done heterosexually
    it's possibly the natural way if you believe we just miraculously appeared and at first there was a man and a woman, if you believe in evolution then the natural way to have sex has been either/or for 1000's of years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    that's not the point... what i'm trying to say is that the natural way to have sex is heterosexually. that's the way our creators created it.... i don't care if they do it or not.. but the notion is that it's supposed to be done heterosexually
    Homo sapiens is one of the few, if not only, species that engages in sex for reasons other than procreation, i.e. physical and emotional gratification.

    That being the case, who is to say that when seeking the latter it must be by means of a heterosexual coupling.

    And that being the case, why shouldnt homosexuals be able to marry.

    If the sole motivation for marriage was procreation, I could see the point. Fortunately, that is not the case as our already deplorable divorce rates would escalate further under that antiquated scenario.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_of_darkness
    But who says marriage should only be between a man and a woman ?
    Mum, dad , family , bible..
    Does the bible sanction womanising ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by broncoman
    cant say id agree with gay marriages, its just not right...
    and not being gay is "right" because?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lord_of_darkness
    ^ word im with simon.. then again im strictly homophobic..
    you do realize its just as bad as being blackophobic.

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    Its an unfortunate thing, and I hope my pal Reuben can sort it out fast because it really destroy's one's psyche and has a bad affect on mental health.

    Just think of it as an alternative lifestyle, and people who choose to participate in it are doing it out of choice. It doesnt mean Reuben, that you have to. I used to have the same types of thoughts when I was about 13 and 14 and I realised HOW WRONG I was.

    You can treat them with the resepect all humans deserve, but just think of it as a lifestyle difference.

    You'd find that your life becomes a lot easier that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slats4ever
    as my Christian development teacher once said at school (and age can abck me up)
    he's this old creepy guy as well so it was even funnier and he made hand gestures while he said it...

    "The Human p*enis is not made for the male a*nus"
    so are you one of those guys who enjoy lesbian sex!!?

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