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    some would say that people make the choice when they decide to have sex.....


    obviously this does not apply to rape victims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil
    what is wrong is their trying to force others whose religions and belief systems are different to follow what they believe in....that is not the democracy they claim to espouse....pro-choice encompasses pro-life as well but pro-life wants to kill the possibility of any choice....
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    Quote Originally Posted by age_master
    some would say that people make the choice when they decide to have sex.....


    obviously this does not apply to rape victims.
    a couple(or maybe just the woman) makes a choice when they want to get pregnant...not otherwise...those some that would say otherwise are just quibbling to keep an argument alive and not making any real sense...
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    [b]some would say that people make the choice when they decide to have sex.....


    obviously this does not apply to rape victims.p/b]
    Never a truer word spoken from someone who doesn't appear to have been in a long-term sexual relationship and hasn't experienced the undiluted terror of "Uh oh, the condom broke....."

    Of course abstinence is the solution proffered by the Catholics amongst us but again, this is indicative of a lack of experience in a long-term completely honest and open relationship. Those who deny the validity of abstinence as an option are often painted as sex-mad nymphomaniacs who just can't keep our hands off each other but it's never so black and white. There is a point at which couples generally acknowledge that the expression of love towards a person is a lot of the time inextricably linked to the physical side almost as much as the emotional side. Humans aren't just brains; so many other things we do to express ourselves involve physical acts (you can't paint/write music with your brain alone) so why not love?

    So age_master, there are a lot of choices people make when they decide to sleep together but whether or not to become parents (on EVERY occasion), in the modern world, isn't one of them.
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    Interestingly enough, Failure to abstain is not a legally acceptable reason for abortion in India.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    So age_master, there are a lot of choices people make when they decide to sleep together but whether or not to become parents (on EVERY occasion), in the modern world, isn't one of them.
    if they choose to have sex they surely should accept the chance that parenthood will follow...

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    Just like if you cross the road you have to accept that you might get run over by a bus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marc71178
    Just like if you cross the road you have to accept that you might get run over by a bus.
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    if they choose to have sex they surely should accept the chance that parenthood will follow...
    That would follow if the sole aim of sex was procreation. Even before contraception was invented, that wasn't the case.

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    I feel its up to the person and people do have there own Views on this subjuct and this issue

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    Quote Originally Posted by chris.hinton
    really

    Does it matter what peoples posistions are on this issue?

    Catholics are wholehearted against it as are Pro-Bush Supporters it THEIR right

    there are no right or wrong answers on this issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by PY
    I'll give it a go from my perspective but I think the reason why pro-lifers won't answer the question is because of the way we get tanked by people who don't agree with us and branded as various different types of fiends just because we have a view that doesn't give people ultimate choice.
    Personally, I think you're being unfair about "who" gets branded. Pro-choicers get branded as murderers, are harrassed on the street outside abortion clinics and oh, yeah, get KILLED by pro-life zealots. Somehow I don't think the name-calling/abuse is as one-sided as you perceive it to be.

    Also, extrapolating further from something you said in another post about opinions on similar issues causing rifts between friends - it's an interesting point to raise. If my wife were to have an abortion, and a friend of mine was of the opinion that she was a murderer for doing so, sure, I think that would produce a sizable impediment to remaining friends.



    Quote Originally Posted by PY
    This is my take on what you ask:

    I don't think that a child (I say child for a reason, as if nature was allowed to take it's due course then the foetus would become what pro-choice (*see end) people could not deny is alive) should be aborted for any reason no matter what. I just don't see any kind of justification for killing/aborting it. Who's to say that the child might not have a profound effect on someone's life once he/she is born and that the child might live if only for a few weeks to experience the few things we take for granted like nature's beauty, fresh air, seeing their parents. You may think, "what the hell is he talking about? The loony." but how can we know that these things won't be appreciated by the baby? I know this is a very naive outlook on life but I prefer to take a chance on something positive rather than being 100% negative.
    Fair enough - I believe in reasonable standards of "quality of life" though, which is why I'm also in favor of voluntary euthanasia. IMO, it's cruel to keep people alive who are suffering terribly. Babies have very simple needs and desires, and I think that if they're in terrible pain with weeks to live, they're not capable of making an informed, altruistic trade-off between that and the short-term joy they could provide for their parents or others. (I also find it's hard to deal with the fact that there are parents out there who are lionised by the community for "having" these children when their actual reasons are of selfishness and a craving for attention.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat
    That would follow if the sole aim of sex was procreation. Even before contraception was invented, that wasn't the case.

    doesn't change the fact that there is always a chance...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Slow Love™
    Guards, quickly - there's a postmodernist in the thread.

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    Technically, no, you're not on the fence, you're on the left - you said that "I feel its up to the person".

    That is pro-choice. That is left wing. Time to execute yourself.
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