Abortion?

[Top_Cat]

Mr Mxyzptlk: I'm speechless. The sheer arrogance of that position, that you would presume to make decisions about anothers' life like that and sleep well. Well, I'm stunned. I don't know where to begin.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Mr Mxyzptlk: I'm speechless. The sheer arrogance of that position, that you would presume to make decisions about anothers' life like that and sleep well. Well, I'm stunned. I don't know where to begin.

The assumption of it all that it is my essay. It quite clearly is an essay though. Well I thought so...

[Top_Cat]

Yes I picked it as an essay/article but why would you post it if it didn't say what you wanted to say? If that is the case, why does it make much of a difference whether it's your post or not? And if it's not yours, who wrote it and pays them?

[Top_Cat]

One thing I DIDN'T do was allow for the fact that you posted it to merely add to the debate. If so, I unreservedly apologise. If not, well as I said, I'm stunned.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

It's a model GP essay I received from my teacher. Note that model has nothing to do with excellence or correctness of opinion.

Regarding the reason for posting, I felt it fuel for discussion and, judging from your response, it worked. My opinion is more or less pro-life, but perhaps not quite as strict. I may express it more fully at another time.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

One thing I DIDN'T do was allow for the fact that you posted it to merely add to the debate. If so, I unreservedly apologise. If not, well as I said, I'm stunned.

Heh. This is clearly evidence that I take too long to type posts sometimes.

[Top_Cat]

Regarding the reason for posting, I felt it fuel for discussion and, judging from your response, it worked.

Not at all. I didn't discuss it at all because I find the opinions expressed too repugnant right now. Maybe later when I won't let emotions cloud my thoughts and say something I won't regret.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Not at all. I didn't discuss it at all because I find the opinions expressed too repugnant right now. Maybe later when I won't let emotions cloud my thoughts and say something I won't regret.

"Will" regret surely? Granted it did fuel though...

[Top_Cat]

"Will" regret surely? Granted it did fuel though...

Take from it what you 'will'; I meant what I said.

That said, here's the 411; whatever I say will be in response to the article and not to you because I don't actually know what you think.

[Mr Mxyzptlk]

Duly noted.

[Son Of Coco]

Originally Posted by age_master

Abortion is murder...

so is bringing up a child you can't look after.

[Slow Love™]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

And surely you wouldn't advocate that a rape victim would be FORCED to keep the child borne of a rape? That's freakin' nuts. If you honestly believe that, well I think I've met the first female misogynist.

Bit harsh, mate. I can't speak for Linda' s reasoning, but if you think a life is defined at a certain point, and all lives are sacred (regardless of quality), I may accuse somebody of woolly thinking, but it doesn't have to be motivated by misogyny in the slightest. Maybe a lack of empathy or naivety as to the wider implications of policy.

BTW, there are legions of female misogynists. Check out some of over 60's set or the women involved in "men's rights" organizations. Kinda reminds me of a situation where someone I knew called somebody out for being a misogynist, and somebody said "but he's GAY!". As if that somehow made it impossible.

[Slow Love™]

The essay Mr Mxyzptlk posted was interesting for one fact - those who are pro-life, and want to legislate accordingly, who WOULD allow abortions to victims of incest and rape - how on earth do you justify this to yourselves if your opposition is based on the fact that abortion is murder? On a level of consistency, those who are against abortion under any circumstances make a lot more sense.

[age_master]

Originally Posted by Son Of Coco

so is bringing up a child you can't look after.

how so?

[Linda]

Originally Posted by Top_Cat

Playing Devil's Avocate here; how would you feel, as a women, if your reproductive rights were curtailed to the point where the law said that if you had been raped, you HAD to abort even if you decided to keep the child?

I'd feel scared and move out of the country, sounds like its being ruled by a bunch of feminists.

My point is, you're against having an abortion so you'll never have one. That's your choice. But why should your choice curtail the choices of others? Bearing in mind that the freedom of choice is only a recent phenomena, you're effectively in opposition to the reproductive rights that women fought so hard for only a few decades ago.

Because I dont see it as an individual's choice. I see it as a choice that involves another life, ie the baby's. And anyway, Im not changing the law, Im just against it like other people on this thread.

And I would say it's highly suspect that adoption is an 'excellent' alternative.

Great, but I dont. There are plenty of people that are longing for a child, and due to different circumstances, simply cant have one. My best mate is adopted , so this maybe clouding my better judgement, but I see it as a huge positive to give an "unwanted" child up for adoption.

And surely you wouldn't advocate that a rape victim would be FORCED to keep the child borne of a rape? That's freakin' nuts. If you honestly believe that, well I think I've met the first female misogynist.

They would certainly not be forced to keep the child. You could probably say that they are forced to keep the child alive! But again, its a human life in my view and should be treated as such. I understand that what a rape victim goes through is out of my comprehension, but I simply dont think the kid should be killed because of who its father is.

And lastly, I dont hate women, Im just against abortion. Just because Im a girl doesnt mean I should be all for it. Why youve singled me out as a misogynist among other pro-life opinions, I dont know, but its pretty offensive in my view.