Abortion?

[Flem274*]

Originally Posted by benchmark00

Yuk, you're not great at this debating thing hey?

Your plan A and B is to just label things straw men.

You're not going to get bites out of me mate. Try the English again instead.

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

You're not going to get bites out of me mate. Try the English again instead.

Again, absolutely yuk. Featherweight in a heavyweight discussion.

[Cevno]

Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned

So what, you can have an abortion because the person you had sex with had depression? Mentally ill person seems a weird replacement

Err??

Pregnancies in mentally ill persons.

[Spark]

I'm not sure if howardj is being deliberately obtuse or what, but the point is sort of that, normally, it's the woman's choice to have an abortion. I mean, assuming that most women don't choose to get stabbed...

Making some false equivalence between the two is sketchy at best, and downright insane at worst.

[HeathDavisSpeed]

Originally Posted by howardj

How proud are expectant parents?

They're bound to be proud if they're middle class and can afford to have them and they had a good old fashioned chin wag before hand about whether they wanted a baby or not. I mean, you've made the massive assumption of using the plural "parents". How many abortions are actually made in examples of steady, long term relationship based couples. I'd like to see the statistics on that. I mean, if you're basing your argument on the "pride" being exuded by a plurality then I think you might be referring to the very smallest of proportions of the 'market' for abortions.

I can't help get the feeling that giving women the right to choose their fate in live scares the living bejeesus out of a good number of pro lifers. I mean, after all, find me a male pro-lifer who doesn't show a huge amount of pride in the strength of his convictions in keeping the little women in their place.

[silentstriker]

Originally Posted by howardj

How proud are expectant parents?

Really proud. About the baby that's going to come.

Originally Posted by howardj

Please explain the difference between them killing off their kid, and a stranger doing so

STFU unless you can

And the difference is someone else violating your body vs. you making a decision that you do not want to physically and psychologically bear the pregnancy. And I don't believe you are killing a 'kid'.

[cpr]

Originally Posted by wellAlbidarned

I wasn't saying they don't exist at all, just that they're probably a very small minority. I trust that when someone makes a call like this, they're reasoning is almost certainly going to be a bit more than "convenience".

TBH, you did use the words 'I don't think anyone' and 'complete myth'. If you arn't saying they don't exist at all, then I'd suggest using less assertive words to the point as its fair to say your original comment could be construed to suggest otherwise.

Also stop making me be a pedant about use of language, as I'm going to **** up and leave it open for you to rip the hell outta me for exactly the same thing, as I'm rubbish.


Anyway, back to my idea of charging for abortions, or even better, bring in breeding licences. Fail the 'decent citizen' twice and you get sterilized. Think that'd solve quite a few issues, not just this one.

Would probably save the next generation of CWers from reading some properly dire tour threads too.

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by HeathDavisSpeed

They're bound to be proud if they're middle class and can afford to have them and they had a good old fashioned chin wag before hand about whether they wanted a baby or not. I mean, you've made the massive assumption of using the plural "parents". How many abortions are actually made in examples of steady, long term relationship based couples. I'd like to see the statistics on that. I mean, if you're basing your argument on the "pride" being exuded by a plurality then I think you might be referring to the very smallest of proportions of the 'market' for abortions.

I can't help get the feeling that giving women the right to choose their fate in live scares the living bejeesus out of a good number of pro lifers. I mean, after all, find me a male pro-lifer who doesn't show a huge amount of pride in the strength of his convictions in keeping the little women in their place.

Yeah I think so too. But it's the violation of liberty issue that offends me more than the sexism issue. You don't just have to think abortion is wrong to be pro-life. You also have to assume the right to make a decision that has no impact on you but a life-defining impact on someone else, based on nothing more than a gut moral instinct. It's disgustingly self-important.

[Uppercut]

Originally Posted by benchmark00

Yuk, you're not great at this debating thing hey?

Your plan A and B is to just label things straw men.

Well it was a pretty ****ing blatant straw man. If it was you you'd have invented a back-story about howardj's babysitter putting in him in a microwave when he was little and baddening up his wee head, then used it to avoid engaging with anything he'd said at all.

[wellAlbidarned]

Originally Posted by cpr

TBH, you did use the words 'I don't think anyone' and 'complete myth'. If you arn't saying they don't exist at all, then I'd suggest using less assertive words to the point as its fair to say your original comment could be construed to suggest otherwise.

Also stop making me be a pedant about use of language, as I'm going to **** up and leave it open for you to rip the hell outta me for exactly the same thing, as I'm rubbish.


Anyway, back to my idea of charging for abortions, or even better, bring in breeding licences. Fail the 'decent citizen' twice and you get sterilized. Think that'd solve quite a few issues, not just this one.

Would probably save the next generation of CWers from reading some properly dire tour threads too.

Fair enough.

I disagree with using the presentation of a small minority to argue against and represent the actions of a much larger group. Better?

[GIMH]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

Well it was a pretty ****ing blatant straw man. If it was you you'd have invented a back-story about howardj's babysitter putting in him in a microwave when he was little and baddening up his wee head, then used it to avoid engaging with anything he'd said at all.

Lol cricsim

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by Uppercut

Well it was a pretty ****ing blatant straw man. If it was you you'd have invented a back-story about howardj's babysitter putting in him in a microwave when he was little and baddening up his wee head, then used it to avoid engaging with anything he'd said at all.

And there's no prizes for guessing where posters like flem and other sad ****s get their debating skills from. Absolute junk as usual from you.

straw man straw man straw man straw man straw man. Give me a break.

[Flem274*]

You'll tell Uppercut why he thinks like he does next, probably drawing on well known facts presented as analysis to make your post look intelligent.

[benchmark00]

Originally Posted by Flem274*

You'll tell Uppercut why he thinks like he does next, probably drawing on well known facts presented as analysis to make your post look intelligent.

Thank you for proving my point.

Fortunately there's no danger of you looking intelligent.

[wellAlbidarned]

Should we also refer to spades as specialised non-mechanical manual sediment removal devices, then? Not everyone has time to explain exactly what a straw man is every time they see it.