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    I saw last night that Turkish media, within 1 1/2 hours, had already made up their mind on who it was, a guy with an interesting internet presence but probably not anywhere near there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    It sounds now like this was a domestic violence incident in full public view: the primary victim was his ex-partner the accuser in a rape case against him.

    So a somewhat different stain of awful.
    I haven't seen proper confirmation of that. But it seems there are no reasons to think the gunman had terrorist motives. He is a known "habitual offender" though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stapel View Post
    I haven't seen proper confirmation of that. But it seems there are no reasons to think the gunman had terrorist motives. He is a known "habitual offender" though.
    I don't remember the source but it does seem very much like all the information is pointing to one person being specifically targeted. Apparently the other victims are people who tried to help her after she had been shot

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    The police just announced the ages and residences of the victims, as far as they know there is no relation between the suspect(s) and the victims. Seems like the rumours yesterday were forum speculation gone wild (possibly due to him being a known figure in town)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Magrat Garlick View Post
    The police just announced the ages and residences of the victims, as far as they know there is no relation between the suspect(s) and the victims. Seems like the rumours yesterday were forum speculation gone wild (possibly due to him being a known figure in town)
    They aren't ruling out a domestic incident though. We'll see

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    Recent developments: police hit the terror alarm partly because of reports of a FB live stream, which turned out to be a different guy in another part of the country.

    The police has so far been little evidence announced connecting him to any existing terror groups, with their key evidence being a suicide note and the indiscriminate shooting.

    In the absence of police announcements, social media speculators are happily* doing their thing and the suspect has probably been linked to numerous war crimes In Syria already.

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    And as usual the media will not cover the whole story; while he was a potential terrorist he was front page news... now he is just another idiot with a gun, it is not 'story' enough.
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    tbf here in Netherlands the government has gone through the whole "national mourning", "attack on our norms and values" all that kind of routine. There was even a debate of whether it was appropriate to hold a minute's silence during the Euro qualifier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Magrat Garlick View Post
    tbf here in Netherlands the government has gone through the whole "national mourning", "attack on our norms and values" all that kind of routine. There was even a debate of whether it was appropriate to hold a minute's silence during the Euro qualifier.
    I was talking less the local and more the international attitude....

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    What are gun laws like in the Netherlands compared with other euro countries?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    What are gun laws like in the Netherlands compared with other euro countries?
    Fairly strict. Guns are very uncommon, except in hands of police. Only weapons in Category 3 are allowed to the general public, and they are designed for hunters and sport shooters. Open carry is banned.

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    I haven’t been following this case too closely, did this bloke have the weapons illegally, or was he a licenced shooter? Either way just horrific

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    Not enough has been announced. Information is privileged until the case begins, and that could take months.

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    Fair enough too. Cheers.

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    Netherlands has a significant illegal gun trade and a lot of those illegal firearms end up in Aussie ports unless the picture has changed significantly in the last decade. Whether this is related, who knows.
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