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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    So what happened for real? I'm either hearing 300+ terrorists or a bunch of trees. Was it bombs or just excess payload?
    They were definitely bombs.

    300+ terrorists sounds a little on the higher side.

    Some villager did get injured though, and some village houses also got damaged from some of the videos that I have seen coming out from balakot. Saw the injured villager talking to some guy on camera. So there is definitely some damage on the ground, the interviewed guy certainly didn't seem like a JEM head or something.

    I don't think Pakistan wants to escalate despite all the bluster coming out of the foreign office. This thing will die down soon enough just like surgical strike 1.0.
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    300 jihadis or some dead trees, you can believe whichever version you choose to.

    But please note, before buying the Pakistani narrative that it stands in company of

    -Pakistans continued denial that it performed genocide in East Pakistan (now BD)
    -Pakistans fervent denial about supplying nuc weapons technology to multiple dictators ( which they later wholly pinned on AQ Khan)
    -Pakistani denial of its army taking part in the Kargil 'excursion' and refusal to take back bodies of it's own soldiers (which they later honoured in a small section of the ISPR website)
    -Pakistani denial that terrorists find safe haven in their territory or that the OBL strike was carried out without their permission/connivance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt View Post
    300 jihadis or some dead trees, you can believe whichever version you choose to.

    But please note, before buying the Pakistani narrative that it stands in company of

    -Pakistans continued denial that it performed genocide in East Pakistan (now BD)
    -Pakistans fervent denial about supplying nuc weapons technology to multiple dictators ( which they later wholly pinned on AQ Khan)
    -Pakistani denial of its army taking part in the Kargil 'excursion' and refusal to take back bodies of it's own soldiers (which they later honoured in a small section of the ISPR website)
    -Pakistani denial that terrorists find safe haven in their territory or that the OBL strike was carried out without their permission/connivance.
    Well, the Pakistan you're referring to is the military. It doesn't really matter what the narrative is in civilian Pakistan. The military's gonna do what they're gonna do. The "bleeding India via a thousand cuts" strategy is going to be done soon, though, if BJP remains in power.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kilowatt View Post
    300 jihadis or some dead trees, you can believe whichever version you choose to.

    But please note, before buying the Pakistani narrative that it stands in company of

    -Pakistans continued denial that it performed genocide in East Pakistan (now BD)
    -Pakistans fervent denial about supplying nuc weapons technology to multiple dictators ( which they later wholly pinned on AQ Khan)
    -Pakistani denial of its army taking part in the Kargil 'excursion' and refusal to take back bodies of it's own soldiers (which they later honoured in a small section of the ISPR website)
    -Pakistani denial that terrorists find safe haven in their territory or that the OBL strike was carried out without their permission/connivance.
    Mate, you're preaching to the choir. I am in no way suggesting that ISPR speaks the whole truth (or even partially). The truth always lies between the 2 official versions. I am just unsure of the extent. Each government will naturally modify the truth to suit its agenda. The news channels have confirmed the bombing. That obviously means it is far more severe than is being reported.
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    Pak will admit to airspace intrusion to paint India as aggressor, but will also deny any casualties so they aren't cornered into replying in kind. Simple political expediency.

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    The initial narrative was "we made em run!"

    Anyway, how sure can we be that they took out a terrorist camp accurately?

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    I can only think that waiting is the way to go so that more sources can get into the open or at least see how the political narrative develops.
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    https://m.huffingtonpost.in/entry/vi...ekZLG_ULalICyA

    No casualties. Missed the target by a kilometre. One theory suggests the Indian jet didn't get as far inland as claimed as it was intercepted and so fired the missile from a location near the LOC, reducing accuracy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Well, the Pakistan you're referring to is the military. It doesn't really matter what the narrative is in civilian Pakistan. The military's gonna do what they're gonna do. The "bleeding India via a thousand cuts" strategy is going to be done soon, though, if BJP remains in power.
    The military gains its strength from having a Rambo-esque public perception and certainly takes great care to paint itself in such a picture. That is how Pakistanis believe themselves the victor of every war against 7x times larger enemy.

    Soon enough sympathetic western media will be taken on a guided tour of supposed 'failed bomb strike sites' and the grateful reporters will make the indicated reports filled with interviews of re-educated villagers claiming how the bombs just hit some distant cow sheds and how they are grateful for the free beef roast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    https://m.huffingtonpost.in/entry/vi...ekZLG_ULalICyA

    No casualties. Missed the target by a kilometre. One theory suggests the Indian jet didn't get as far inland as claimed as it was intercepted and so fired the missile from a location near the LOC, reducing accuracy.
    Can't really tell propaganda from fact anymore. As presumably a foreign reader, I would advise you to take sources like Scroll.in, thewire.in, and indeed Huffpost.in with more than a grain of salt. These sites run counter agenda all livelong year round so expect them to step up their game now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    The initial narrative was "we made em run!"

    Anyway, how sure can we be that they took out a terrorist camp accurately?
    Again it seems really unlikely that a camp of terrorists would be out in the bush away from civilians, particularly just 2 weeks after performing an attack. I mean it's possible but it's not what they tend to do, is it?

    The PSI narrative is even more lolworthy.
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    Much talk of response by Pakistan to the air strike. Who will they retaliate against though? Indian military? Civilians?

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    My very general idea about the exact number of casualties has always been to take the numbers by both sides and average it out.

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    btw TOI is reporting that some Pakistan jets have entered Indian air space in J & K.

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