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    ethiopian aviation authorities should have a website, no?
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47812225

    A preliminary report into the crash of an Ethiopian Airlines plane last month says the aircraft nosedived several times before it crashed.

    Pilots "repeatedly" followed procedures recommended by Boeing before the crash, according to the first official report into the disaster.
    Despite their efforts, pilots "were not able to control the aircraft", Transport Minister Dagmawit Moges said.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-e...-idUSKCN1RG0R4

    Boeing is going to push back on this hard aren't they?
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    https://www.bbc.com/news/business-47834556

    So with Boeing bringing out a statement apologising and admitting that the MCAS system is at least partly at fault, pretty much guarantees liability of some sort. I read in the business times that this will cost Boeing about a billion dollars just to compensate the airlines that have had to ground their planes.

    I also find it interesting in the little detail, you can switch the MCAS system off but if you pull up and MCAS believes it own sensors it will switch itself back on! That is a important little detail.

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    I don’t personally think they’re admitting fault. The system was (apparently) working as intended. The old ‘chain of events’ line is very telling, especially for any families seeking compensation. Boeing is basically saying we’re sorry the pilots weren’t good enough.

    Compensation is a question but I can’t think of a time where manufacturers handed over cash to affected airlines. Mainly because they’re insured against exactly this. I’d suggest there might be some MAX discounts in the futures of a few airlines, though. Victims - another story.


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    There's a case running in Chicago, according to an Ugandan journalist.

    The New Times - Rwanda: Family of Rwandan Killed in Ethiopian Airlines Sues Boeing

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    https://leehamnews.com/2019/04/05/bj...is/#more-29839

    There's a transcript of that video (now pulled) floating around as well. TL;DR on it: once MCAS starts doing its thing, you're very much in the lap of the gods.

    C: So, now we are doing this just as an exercise!
    C: Do not try this at home.
    C: This...
    C: We are at 300 knots now.
    F: I'm fighting.
    C: I'm sttrugling to to keep this aircraft flying.
    F: My god! [FO surprised at how hard it is to trim further nose down]
    C: Yeah, the thing is with higher speed the force on the stabilizer will be higher and higher as well.
    C: So it becomes almost impossible to move it.
    C: So we are now at about 3 degrees.
    F: Yup. [FO still tries to continue trimming nose down, the wheels is so difficult to spin]
    C: We're still about 3 degrees away from full nose down trim.
    C: And I am using everything that I have. [CAPT still holding on to his yoke with both hands]
    F: My God ! [the trim wheel barely move for the down trim]
    C: This is realistic guys.
    C: This is how much of effort it would take to trim the stabilizer at this kind of speed.
    C: Umph... [Capt is still trying to hold on to his yoke with his hands]
    C: I'm just in control of it, though. But it's getting harder and harder.
    C: And remember we're still 2.5 degrees away...
    F: My God! [FO still struggles to spin the refused-to-be-spun trim wheel]
    C: It's not possible, is it?
    C: All right, we stop at that.
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    Looks like a mutant seagull. Looks like it'd run out of rudder in > 20kts of cross but you'd assume the designers have some tricks there.

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    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/why-a...172840972.html

    Good article on why Airbus is content to just sit and watch as Boeing fixes its plane rather than try and take competitive advantage, and why capitalism really stops working as advertised in a duopoly/oligopoly where both players no longer find it commercial to pursue a serious edge over their rivals as the status quo is so much more profitable for all involved.

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