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Thread: The Freedom to Marry as Opposed to not too Maarry.

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    The Freedom to Marry as Opposed to not too Maarry.


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    Its the gay marriage thing. Not much to discuss.
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    Unless the right to "maary" is something else, I guess.


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    I love when organised religion credits itself with being open-minded and tolerant enough to accept what the general population decided years before it, as if their theology isn't one of the things leaving them trailing behind the rest of us on these issues, in the first place.

    Talk about cafeteria Christians. Yes, adopt the new viewpoint when it becomes difficult to continue opposing it. Aren't we progressive.....At least if they refused you could credit them being earnest and serious about their vulgar bigotry as theologically consistent.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NZTailender View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    I love when organised religion credits itself with being open-minded and tolerant enough to accept what the general population decided years before it, as if their theology isn't one of the things leaving them trailing behind the rest of us on these issues, in the first place.

    Talk about cafeteria Christians. Yes, adopt the new viewpoint when it becomes difficult to continue opposing it. Aren't we progressive.....At least if they refused you could credit them being earnest and serious about their vulgar bigotry as theologically consistent.
    That is one of the features, not a bug, of religions though. To be able to differentiate between fads and permanent attitudinal shifts and then, hopefully, fold the shift into the religion when it reaches a critical mass within the followers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    That is one of the features, not a bug, of religions though. To be able to differentiate between fads and permanent attitudinal shifts and then, hopefully, fold the shift into the religion when it reaches a critical mass within the followers.
    Oh it's definitely a feature of religion no doubt. To say one thing for hundreds or thousands of years, and then disavow or minimise it when it becomes politically or socially expedient to do so. To say this isn't also a bug, is fatuous. Of course it is. Christianity in any traditional sense is anti-gay, regardless of how many of its adherents belatedly condone homosexuality or gay marriage. For them to say or imply it's their religion which paved the path for this institutional change is absurd. It's precisely the opposite.

    They can chat **** about the diversity of Christian belief among their members all they like. As long as when they conveniently change their position, they come out and say, oh actually yeah we ****ed up the last 40 years. Actually G.O.D. was cool with the gays all along.

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    But the problem is religions hold back progress in the way. It is only when things come to a head and progress can no longer be halted that you see such a shift.
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    Quote Originally Posted by trundler View Post
    But the problem is religions hold back progress in the way. It is only when things come to a head and progress can no longer be halted that you see such a shift.
    In some ways (not all), that's a good thing. It means change is brought about by the people and it is not brought about for the people by an institution.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    In some ways (not all), that's a good thing. It means change is brought about by the people and it is not brought about for the people by an institution.
    Even though the institution claims to base its ethic on revealed truth specifically designed to inform our morality.

    Similarly, I like the way you said earlier "fold the shift into the religion when it reaches a critical mass within the followers." I mean, what is this protean organism you think religion is? Again, it purports to inform our morality. Not the other way around. How is it ever a good thing that an institution stands in the way of something that any normal person of average intelligence regards as basic human decency?

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