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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    It likely is abuse but on the whole it's probably best to not get the state involved. No one gets hurt more than the parent when their kid suffers due to their fault.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Let the market decide. It’s most important parents have the #freedom to raise their kids how they see fit.
    Tangental point, but it's a better alternative to the state bringing kids up imo, to a degree at least

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    These are tough things to dissect because there are multiple competing principles.

    What if the parent hasn't taken their child to a doctor and the child dies? Is that negligent, is the ignorance the saving grace?
    Is using alternative forms of medicine a criminal act? Does that mean not administering a certain medicine should be a crime? That would seem to implicate mandatory medication which is rife with conflict and I can see health and pharmaceutical companies rubbing their hands in glee.

    I am with harsh on this. Unless there is gross negligence or real intent to harm, I think the parents are already suffering something far more deep than being put in prison. As if the threat of prison is going to rehabilitate the parents or as if there is an epidemic of parents out there who are trying to harm their kids that need deterrence.

    This sad event itself is going to be the ultimate deterrent in both these parents and others taking risk in the future anyway.
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    In English law (so far as I am aware anyway) there is no law mandating certain medication etc. but parents have both statutory and common law duties of care in respect of their children. A failure to perform those duties will be a criminal offence, but it is for judges to decide on a case-by-case basis whether the failure to provide certain medicine etc. would be a breach of those duties, which to me seems to be the most sensible approach.

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    I am with harsh on this. Unless there is gross negligence or real intent to harm, I think the parents are already suffering something far more deep than being put in prison. As if the threat of prison is going to rehabilitate the parents or as if there is an epidemic of parents out there who are trying to harm their kids that need deterrence.

    This sad event itself is going to be the ultimate deterrent in both these parents and others taking risk in the future anyway.
    I'm probably just about inclined to agree with this on the whole, but I find it difficult to think of many examples where a child might die due to a parent's failure to act/provide care and it not being grossly negligent.
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    As if the threat of prison is going to rehabilitate the parents or as if there is an epidemic of parents out there who are trying to harm their kids that need deterrence.
    I don't know about trying to harm their kids, but there is definitely a whole legion of parents who are captured by quacks and it would help save a lot of misery if they were deterred somehow. But whether that should happen through the legal system is another matter entirely ofc.

    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    I'm probably just about inclined to agree with this on the whole, but I find it difficult to think of many examples where a child might die due to a parent's failure to act/provide care and it not being grossly negligent.
    You can make an argument for certain edge cases for certain extremely nasty diseases or cancers where the conventional treatment is of, at best, middling efficacy and the application of it has all sorts of horrible side-effects that wreck the patient's quality of life, and you could make a strong case for the parents having perfectly legitimate reasons to try literally anything they can get their hands on. But that obviously doesn't apply here.
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    Won't attempting to deter parents from quacks by law just push them further into the arms of said quacks?

    "The government doesn't want you to get alternative medicine, they will throw you IN JAIL if you don't do their vaccines! They want all of us to be domesticated, drugged up, autistic sheep! They're trying to control us, we cannot let them do that to our kids!"

    Surely the best deterrence is to just make news like this as public as possible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zorax View Post
    Won't attempting to deter parents from quacks by law just push them further into the arms of said quacks?

    "The government doesn't want you to get alternative medicine, they will throw you IN JAIL if you don't do their vaccines! They want all of us to be domesticated, drugged up, autistic sheep! They're trying to control us, we cannot let them do that to our kids!"

    Surely the best deterrence is to just make news like this as public as possible.
    The case study of anti-vaxxers would seem to suggest otherwise tbh. Publicising it seems to have just created more anti-vaxxers for perverse reasons, whilst going "hey, get your kids vaccinated or else you'll be ineligible for all sorts of ****/will be barred from childcare" has seemed to be very, very effective, at least here.
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    Yeah, "get your child vaccinated or you lose benefits" is good policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    I am with harsh on this. Unless there is gross negligence or real intent to harm, I think the parents are already suffering something far more deep than being put in prison. As if the threat of prison is going to rehabilitate the parents or as if there is an epidemic of parents out there who are trying to harm their kids that need deterrence.

    This sad event itself is going to be the ultimate deterrent in both these parents and others taking risk in the future anyway.
    Yeah, prison time certainly serves very little purpose in cases like this imo. It's not going to be an effective deterrent, won't rehabilitate, doesn't help society, punishes the family of the parent (what if the one going to jail is the sole breadwinner) etc etc. It's just retribution for the sake of it.

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    I'm probably just about inclined to agree with this on the whole, but I find it difficult to think of many examples where a child might die due to a parent's failure to act/provide care and it not being grossly negligent.
    They could be uneducated/poorly educated which may lead to cases like the OP. Happens a lot in Asia.

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    I don't think ignorance of the law should be a defence tbh.

    Ignorance of how to care for a child could perhaps serve as mitigation for wrongdoing, but not exoneration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    The case study of anti-vaxxers would seem to suggest otherwise tbh. Publicising it seems to have just created more anti-vaxxers for perverse reasons, whilst going "hey, get your kids vaccinated or else you'll be ineligible for all sorts of ****/will be barred from childcare" has seemed to be very, very effective, at least here.
    Vaccination isn't really a medical issue though. There's pretty much no legitimate concern with vaccination, and millions of benefits to the individual and society.

    With other conditions for which medicine is indication (i.e. a medical issue), there are almost by definition side effects and downsides to conventional medical treatment. I think there's very little argument when it comes to the medical intervention of treating an acute incident e.g. severe asthma or a pneumothorax etc etc.

    There is a legitimate argument when it comes to conventional preventional or long term treatment of chronic conditions - which let's be honest is most of the medical field today.

    I know it sucks that the quacks seem to be the most vocal critics, but there is truth in some of what they say.

    This in BMJ is part of their Christmas issue so it's kinda light-hearted, but kinda serious too (the science is 100% robust)

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    is giving your child a patently absurd name like "abcde" child abuse

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    Or how about weird spelling? Driving in I heard someone on the radio say how he loved his parent, thought they were ****heads for spelling his name mykal.

    Child abuse is a bit harsh. The parents are not responsible for other people being dickheads. What about the parent who calls their child Anil?. A very fine name, everywhere but here. What about Vangipurappu Venkata Sai and other long names that end up being abbreviated? The abuse doesn't come from the parents. Saying it does condones people making fun of people's names.

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    i think weird spelling is a bit different to naming your child something nonsensical

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