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    It's going to be like the Geth from Mass Effect imo. A networked intelligence which doesn't believe in individuality. At the end of the day humans will be debating whether or not AIs have true consciousness, while the Geth AI won't really give a **** and will just want to be left alone.
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    We have enough problems giving 'human' rights to other people.... can't see the robots being allowed for long, but at least there will be another group for people to be upset about!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    It's going to be like the Geth from Mass Effect imo. A networked intelligence which doesn't believe in individuality. At the end of the day humans will be debating whether or not AIs have true consciousness, while the Geth AI won't really give a **** and will just want to be left alone.
    Haha I was thinking exactly this too
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    I actually think it won't be long until they do, but it won't look the same as human consciousness. Machine learning is proceeding that quickly already.
    Haha I never knew how far this had progressed until I started googling it after watching Musk's AI beat professional dota2 players.

    It started of making completely random moves but within a week of playing against itself it had learned how to do human things like fake attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Haha I never knew how far this had progressed until I started googling it after watching Musk's AI beat professional dota2 players.

    It started of making completely random moves but within a week of playing against itself it had learned how to do human things like fake attacks.
    The cast cancelling stuff is cool, but the bot has a huge advantage in how it calculates damage thresholds, spacing etc. That's mostly what 1v1 matchups come down to so it's not that surprising. I'd like to see a team of the AI beat a Team Liquid or Newbee in a bo5 before we call DotA for the bots.

    That said, DotA really is an insanely complicated version of chess that requires very precise mechanics so it should just be a matter of time before the bots take it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    The cast cancelling stuff is cool, but the bot has a huge advantage in how it calculates damage thresholds, spacing etc. That's mostly what 1v1 matchups come down to so it's not that surprising. I'd like to see a team of the AI beat a Team Liquid or Newbee in a bo5 before we call DotA for the bots.

    That said, DotA really is an insanely complicated version of chess that requires very precise mechanics so it should just be a matter of time before the bots take it.
    You'd say the best DotA players aren't anywhere near as good at DotA as the best chess players are at chess either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    The cast cancelling stuff is cool, but the bot has a huge advantage in how it calculates damage thresholds, spacing etc. That's mostly what 1v1 matchups come down to so it's not that surprising. I'd like to see a team of the AI beat a Team Liquid or Newbee in a bo5 before we call DotA for the bots.

    That said, DotA really is an insanely complicated version of chess that requires very precise mechanics so it should just be a matter of time before the bots take it.
    I reckon there could be some really interesting stuff they could do with this if game devs could slip in a couple of AIs masquerading as actual players into a multi-player setting without telling the players beforehand. Could be fascinating to see whether players actually notice that it's not an actual human. More than whether an AI can beat a human (its not surprising that it can), it's whether it can ape a human's behavior convincingly that's really fascinating to me. And a bit spooky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    I reckon there could be some really interesting stuff they could do with this if game devs could slip in a couple of AIs masquerading as actual players into a multi-player setting without telling the players beforehand. Could be fascinating to see whether players actually notice that it's not an actual human. More than whether an AI can beat a human (its not surprising that it can), it's whether it can ape a human's behavior convincingly that's really fascinating to me. And a bit spooky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    You'd say the best DotA players aren't anywhere near as good at DotA as the best chess players are at chess either.
    Yeah definitely, a feature of it's complexity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OverratedSanity View Post
    I reckon there could be some really interesting stuff they could do with this if game devs could slip in a couple of AIs masquerading as actual players into a multi-player setting without telling the players beforehand. Could be fascinating to see whether players actually notice that it's not an actual human. More than whether an AI can beat a human (its not surprising that it can), it's whether it can ape a human's behavior convincingly that's really fascinating to me. And a bit spooky.
    I think this would be really easy. I'm already very suspicious of some players in pubs. Say nothing, play like idiots, do the same thing over and over. You wouldn't even need a particularly sophisticated AI for that.

    Fooling Team Liquid with Miraclebot would be more difficult/interesting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    I think this would be really easy. I'm already very suspicious of some players in pubs. Say nothing, play like idiots, do the same thing over and over. You wouldn't even need a particularly sophisticated AI for that.

    Fooling Team Liquid with Miraclebot would be more difficult/interesting.
    Yes, this wouldn't be hard imo, bots in practice mode have always existed.

    What would be hard is creating an AI that learns everything from scratch. Now that's impressive.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daemon View Post
    Yes, this wouldn't be hard imo, bots in practice mode have always existed.

    What would be hard is creating an AI that learns everything from scratch. Now that's impressive.
    Not even humans learn ‘everything from scratch’. Yes, we are a mixture of ‘nature and nuture’, but humans are foremostly human because we have been pre-programmed by the forces of Natural Selection over millions of years.

    Even if you postulate a Super Natural Diety it still doesn’t change things because humans would still be part of a larger plan’ that comes pre-programmed as it were.

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