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    Yep, may is well lock the thread now. grecian's reply has rendered any further discussion totally redundant.

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    Someone had to grab the low hanging fruit

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    yeah, I invented Nationalism, and being a dick. not that it's a base feeling, for inadequate's and saying it's a reaction is the most pathetic excuse for their own vileness, or owt.
    Well I mean I struggled to interpret this.

    But the bit below seemed nothing but fair, accurate, balanced and nay, even generous, to those it criticises.
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    Evil people have never owned up to what they do, they always blame others for behaving appallingly, the Alt-right is a seething cauldron of victimhood based on a ridiculously wrong premise that the most privelleged in society are somehow disadvantaged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by grecian View Post
    yeah, I invented Nationalism, and being a dick. not that it's a base feeling, for inadequate's and saying it's a reaction is the most pathetic excuse for their own vileness, or owt.

    Evil people have never owned up to what they do, they always blame others for behaving appallingly, the Alt-right is a seething cauldron of victimhood based on a ridiculously wrong premise that the most privelleged in society are somehow disadvantaged.

    So yeah they have to blame the Liberals, Socialists, Feminists, Jews, Blkacks, Mexicans and every ****ing one else, but themselves, because secretly even they know those and the ones appeasing them are, of course, the only ones to blame for this mass distortion of any reality in this World.

    None of it's new, the Alt-right is just another name for it, with different targets, and it existed before Hitler throughout history.
    I agree 100% with all this but would like to add.... all the bigoted left wing extreme socialist types who are just as power hungry no less selfish who blame anybody who has money or power for being evil far right bastards and getting that money power off illegal activity, stepping on the bones of the underprivileged and pretty much the cause of all bad things in the world... which is also not true.

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    Yeah the European neo-nazis have probably just as much in common with the left as they do the right
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    I can usually see where greician is coming from, and sometimes agree with him, it's just that he's such a colossal bag of dicks about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    I can usually see where greician is coming from, and sometimes agree with him, it's just that he's such a colossal bag of dicks about it.
    Think it's the old one - is being a dick to a bigger dick a sign of dickishness or not? Not easy and has systemic implications (like all other options).
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Yeah the European neo-nazis have probably just as much in common with the left as they do the right
    I think this is true of the Alt Right too. The likes of Richard Spencer advocate for left wing economic ideas and mix them with far right views on race and society etc.

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    it's in the name! I don't think ideas of 'value' free economics are palatable to the extreme ends of the spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    I think this is true of the Alt Right too. The likes of Richard Spencer advocate for left wing economic ideas and mix them with far right views on race and society etc.
    Le Pen at times was pretty left wing with a lot of issues, heck I recall the Pres debates, she at times when speaking was more left wing than the communist Melenchon

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    it is national socialism, not national individualism.
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    Yeah isn't the whole point of fascism that it's a radicalised centre, so to speak? All that "third position" stuff. Its roots in terms of people are deep in the far-right because of its nationalist bent, but it's certainly taken what it can from socialist ideas. "Socialism without Marx" is a variant of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    I agree 100% with all this but would like to add.... all the bigoted left wing extreme socialist types who are just as power hungry no less selfish who blame anybody who has money or power for being evil far right bastards and getting that money power off illegal activity, stepping on the bones of the underprivileged and pretty much the cause of all bad things in the world... which is also not true.

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    In the end it's politicians innit, they distort even good things for their own purposes, and that purpose is division.

    In the end the problem with everything is the old adage that the first thing that should preclude a politician from getting into politics is wanting to be a politician. It's all about being power mad and ruthless whether you be Le Pen or Sanders.

    Someone made a point recently how the German right only rebranded themselves as socialists in the 30s to pick up votes, can't say I care that much, there certainly where socialist ideals within Nazism, but ya know Krupp, Hugo Boss, Mercedes, many of the camps providing labor for private business, **** it even Zyklon B was developed by a private company.

    In the end the evil of the system was in hating others for how they were born, borne from a feeling of superiority about their own origins, so just like the alt-right, or Romans, British or any empire that ever existed, how it was implemented is slightly irrelevant.

    I was quite depressed before making that post, quite happy now, proves football is more important than politics really.
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    Damn the alt-right is back on the forum...
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