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    Quote Originally Posted by straw man View Post
    Another awful act. RIP

    I hoped attacks from IS sympathisers would peter out as they lost Raqqa and the land they hold. Maybe they yet will - the internet tells me IS still have more land in northern Iraq and Syria than I realised.
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    Presume you mean as they lose ground they'll become more desperate, which may well be true, whereas I'm thinking of once they've lost it all and maybe dipshits on the other side of the world realise there's no point trying to follow/imitate them any more.
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    Attacks like these are the only way for them to keep in the headlines and get recruits now that their caliphate is being turned to crumbling dust and rubble. There'll be more of them, especially as some of them filter back to their countries of origin.
    It's not just that.

    It's the radicalisation of the whole area. 6+ years of brutal, bloody civil war. Remember that ISIS was the better alternative for many people in the region. And now it's looking increasingly likely that Assad will not face justice.

    Another group will pop up, whether it's ISIS or not it doesn't matter.
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    A bit over the top perhaps. But certainly there are some lessons to learn and history repeating itself. The far left allowing in a convicted Palestine terrorist and then trying to claim the Jews are the problem and advising them not to show their faces.

    It's like wake the **** up. The crackpot cult called Islam which is a scourge to civilised society wherever it goes - do you think that might be the problem? And the new equivalent generation of Nazi sympathisers - today's far left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    The crackpot cult called Islam which is a scourge to civilised society wherever it goes - do you think that might be the problem?
    Oh piss off
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    Religion is a part of this problem. Islam is a part of this problem. No two ways around it.

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    It's pretty rich for Christian nations to be sneering at Islamic ones tbh. Sure the west has dragged itself out of that era, but only very recently and for a long time the Islamic world was far more enlightened and tolerant than the west (dark ages etc). ISIS and the late era Ottomans before them are an insult to previous Islamic states.

    i don't expect scaly to know much about that tho
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    Religion is a part of this problem. Islam is a part of this problem. No two ways around it.
    No **** but it's a far way removed from this type of statement to the bullshit Scaly just spouted so it's pretty disingenuous to say this in the follow up of what Scaly just said. It's the same thing as Trump and his "from both side" comment - in the context of the situation your defending something indefensible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    It's pretty rich for Christian nations to be sneering at Islamic ones tbh. Sure the west has dragged itself out of that era, but only very recently and for a long time the Islamic world was far more enlightened and tolerant than the west (dark ages etc). ISIS and the late era Ottomans before them are an insult to previous Islamic states.

    i don't expect scaly to know much about that tho
    This is not particularly relevant and will lead the conversation down a rabbit hole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    No **** but it's a far way removed from this type of statement to the bullshit Scaly just spouted so it's pretty disingenuous to say this in the follow up of what Scaly just said. It's the same thing as Trump and his "from both side" comment - in the context of the situation your defending something indefensible.
    I can see why you might say that but it wasn't intended as a reinforcement of anything he said. Certainly not as a defence of his views. It was intended as a rebuke to those who say after every one of these attacks that it has nothing to do with religion. Some of us are getting fairly tired of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flem274* View Post
    It's pretty rich for Christian nations to be sneering at Islamic ones tbh. Sure the west has dragged itself out of that era, but only very recently and for a long time the Islamic world was far more enlightened and tolerant than the west (dark ages etc). ISIS and the late era Ottomans before them are an insult to previous Islamic states.
    You'd have been better to say to the extent that the West has helped initiate and protract violence, poverty etc. in Muslim majority countries, we oughtn't pretend we have nothing to do with this. The fact that we used to be as barbaric is a second or third order point imo.

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    i don't expect scaly to know much about that tho
    Nor do I. Which Islamic states did you have in mind exactly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    You'd have been better to say to the extent that the West has helped initiate and protract violence, poverty etc. in Muslim majority countries, we oughtn't pretend we have nothing to do with this. The fact that we used to be as barbaric is a second or third order point imo.
    Indeed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    I can see why you might say that but it wasn't intended as a reinforcement of anything he said. Certainly not as a defence of his views. It was intended as a rebuke to those who say after every one of these attacks that it has nothing to do with religion. Some of us are getting fairly tired of it.
    but...no one said that here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    but...no one said that here?
    No one here.....as of yet. But we're being treated to it by a lot of the media and intellectuals covering it. And there are undoubtedly people on here who think the same, which I find just as insidious and retrograde as the bigoted crap which Scaly posted.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    You'd have been better to say to the extent that the West has helped initiate and protract violence, poverty etc. in Muslim majority countries, we oughtn't pretend we have nothing to do with this. The fact that we used to be as barbaric is a second or third order point imo.


    Nor do I. Which Islamic states did you have in mind exactly?
    yeah, but much of the sneering also comes from a place of complete ignorance of what the world used to be like

    the Abbasid dynasty springs to mind immediately as a place much much better to live in than any contemporary christian state of its day (and many since). The Islamic world carried the torch of civilization for quite some time after the fall of the Western Roman and Sassanid Empires.

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