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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Look I'm going to be the first to agree that there are idiots in academia.

    I idealogically disagree with 99% of the lecturing and research staff I've come across.

    I don't think it's something unique or indicative of some previously unheard of political power these people have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    The problem with tertiary education is that it cannot encourage a diversity of thought because it’s all so heavily biased the one way. This ultimately must has a negative impact on American society ‘down stream’ because the majority of people end-up being card-board cut-outs of eachother when they enter the work-place and begin to run society. This was my original point several pages back.

    So when there is an ideological weakness that is hurting American society it doesn’t get corrected because not enough people can conceive of better and more original ideas. This was the problem with Communist Russia duriing the 1980s. Everyone knew that the system was collapsing but nothing happened because everyone was brain-washed into thinking exactly the same way and couldn’t conceive of anything different outside of the current orthodoxy.

    The West in 2017 is basically at the same academic and ideological point as Russia was in 1987.
    Can you please define the liberal, socialist conservative metric, on which this whole statement is based. From a US conservative point of view Democrats are liberal hippies, from many an EU country point of view many Democrats are far right wing nutters.

    If you actually look at the results and what the paper actually says is.

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    We investigate the voter registration of faculty at 40 leading U.S. universities in the fields of Economics, History, Journalism/Communications, Law, and Psychology. We looked up 7,243 professors and found 3,623 to be registered Democratic and 314 Republican, for an overall D:R ratio of 11.5:1. The D:R ratios for the five fields were: Economics 4.5:1, History 33.5:1, Journalism/Communications 20.0:1, Law 8.6:1, and Psychology 17.4:1. The results indicate that D:R ratios have increased since 2004, and the age profile suggests that in the future they will be even higher. We provide a breakdown by department at each university. The data support the established finding that D:R ratios are highest at the apex of disciplinary pyramids, that is, at the most prestigious departments. We also examine how D:R ratios vary by gender and by region. People interested in ideological diversity or concerned about the errors of leftist outlooks—including students, parents, donors, and taxpayers—might find our results deeply troubling.
    That last statement is probably the most 'damning' and is almost purely rhetorical. All this paper finds is that Academics from those departments overall prefer Democratic policy to Conservative policy not that there is not a diverse thought or argument about specific policy. And considering the very little difference in the middle ground between Rep/Democ groups; Never mind the 3000 unregistered professors. This is a very narrow look that is now being turned into a "OMG Universities are liberal socialsts!!!!"

    Universities and Academia tend to be left leaning, I am gonna out right deny that there is no critical thought or ideological diversity within that though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Look I'm going to be the first to agree that there are idiots in academia.

    I idealogically disagree with 99% of the lecturing and research staff I've come across.

    I don't think it's something unique or indicative of some previously unheard of political power these people have.
    I agree that it's always been there but I'd say right now the mainstream left is even more to the left than previously was the case and a lot of these professors are even more flagrant about it - to the point that they're participating in ANTIFA violence or supporting it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    that old chestnut: "I'm right but I won't explain why I'm right other than to post about me being right"

    Stop putting yourself on a pedestal as if you have unfathomable specialised knowledge here, it's not that deep. I can go on about who and what I know, but it's irrelevant to the facts and I don't like appeals to authority like some here.

    If you can give us peons 5 minutes of your time to explain why I'm peddling inaccuracies, we'd love to hear it.



    No, it doesn't exist, we're crazy. We have this thread with umpteen examples but apparently academics don't influence students - either directly teaching them or creating reports/articles. Nope, doesn't happen apparently.

    Sarcasm aside; I'll never forget how an Admin law professor of mine went on a 30 minute speech, literally crying from happiness, about how wonderful it was that Obama got into office because he was black - not any of the policies, just because he was black.
    No. I'm not going to be lectured to about the ins and outs of my profession by someone who doesn't work in it. I'm also not going to talk to you because I don't like doing that. Bye.


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    Yeah, as I thought. Nada. An academic at a Uni, how difficult must that be

    The irony is what I've said actually doesn't relate much to the law department (although it certainly can).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    I agree that it's always been there but I'd say right now the mainstream left is even more to the left than previously was the case and a lot of these professors are even more flagrant about it - to the point that they're participating in ANTIFA violence or supporting it.
    there are something like 3000 universities in the USA, who each employ thousands of faculty and support staff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    there are something like 3000 universities in the USA, who each employ thousands of faculty and support staff.
    True, but the grand majority of them are left-wing. I think in the last few years especially we are seeing heightened sense of social justice. Safe spaces, micro aggressions, etc. These weren't really big issues 10 years ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikki View Post
    True, but the grand majority of them are left-wing. I think in the last few years especially we are seeing heightened sense of social justice. Safe spaces, micro aggressions, etc. These weren't really big issues 10 years ago.
    Probably more a reflection of the growth of the management and bureaucratic staff who want to make sure the University isn't sued for anything.
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    Also, I've never seen a "safe space" in my life. Do those things actually exist?
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Also, I've never seen a "safe space" in my life. Do those things actually exist?
    They're popular in certain sections of the internet, purportedly to give people a space where they can either express parts of themselves that they don't feel comfortable expressing public (sexuality, mostly), or places where they aren't subjected to something they strongly dislike in broader life. But it's only meant to be a temporary respite, and it was never intended to be more than a secluded haven. Certainly I don't think this drive to turn campuses into safe spaces is wise or, frankly, particularly likely to succeed, but in practice most safe spaces are just private clubs.
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    It strikes me as similar to people saying "50 years ago who cared about trivial things like myopia/flu etc... everyone was too busy dying of real diseases like smallpox etc."
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Also, I've never seen a "safe space" in my life. Do those things actually exist?
    I saw a picture of one from the Labour Party conference in September

    A couple of years back, some English universities banned a few newspapers. These were dirge papers but I don’t need to explain how banning a newspaper is a terrible move. Anyway the justification given by one student has always stuck with me, for it was that universities should be safe spaces.

    I guess it’s more of a metaphorical thing; anyway I’ve no idea on a wider scale if they are a real thing, these are just two anecdotes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vcs View Post
    It strikes me as similar to people saying "50 years ago who cared about trivial things like myopia/flu etc... everyone was too busy dying of real diseases like smallpox etc."
    haha a bit weird that you've used flu here as a trivial example

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    Quote Originally Posted by GIMH View Post
    I saw a picture of one from the Labour Party conference in September

    A couple of years back, some English universities banned a few newspapers. These were dirge papers but I don’t need to explain how banning a newspaper is a terrible move. Anyway the justification given by one student has always stuck with me, for it was that universities should be safe spaces.

    I guess it’s more of a metaphorical thing; anyway I’ve no idea on a wider scale if they are a real thing, these are just two anecdotes.
    They were banned by Students' Unions iirc, not the Universities.

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    How do you ban a newspaper.... do the universities have security checks? If you are found with a copy you get expelled?



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