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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    What do people think about this case about the woman convicted for sending texts encouraging her (ex?)-boyfriend to commit suicide?
    Do you have a link for that? Hadn't heard about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    What do people think about this case about the woman convicted for sending texts encouraging her (ex?)-boyfriend to commit suicide?
    Bloody awful isn't it? I don't know about it from a legal POV because I haven't followed the case in depth, but WAC.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/16/u...-roy.html?_r=0
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ausage View Post
    Do you have a link for that? Hadn't heard about it.
    Woman is a bit of a stretch she was 17 at the time.

    Michelle Carter guilty in text suicide case after boyfriend Conrad Roy?s death

    Personally feel she should be held criminally responsible for something but involuntary manslaughter feels like it may be a bit harsh.
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    Yeah I'm not sure about this. I'm not a defender of speech that deliberately incites violence but there's a lot of potential nuance to the discussion of ending your own life. I'm not concerned for her personally (seems like she was cruel and selfish through the whole ordeal) but it seems like it could set an unhealthy precedent in instances where there was a more genuine concern for the individual's long term well being.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    What do people think about this case about the woman convicted for sending texts encouraging her (ex?)-boyfriend to commit suicide?
    Disagree with the ruling. As far as I can tell, she didn't threaten or blackmail Roy. She didn't provide the means or coerce him into it. And obviously didn't carry out any action that directly caused the death.

    How can she be convicted of a crime which is defined as unlawful, unintentional killing? She didn't kill him in the direct sense and it clearly WAS her intention/wish that he die.

    Just my two cents. She's obviously a disgusting human being but I don't think it's a fair punishment and it sets/reeinforces a pretty dangerous precedent.
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    Yeah I mean I shed no tears for the woman in question, but I am far from convinced this is a wise legal stance to take going forward.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    Disagree with the ruling. As far as I can tell, she didn't threaten or blackmail Roy. She didn't provide the means or coerce him into it. And obviously didn't carry out any action that directly caused the death.

    How can she be convicted of a crime which is defined as unlawful, unintentional killing? She didn't kill him in the direct sense and it clearly WAS her intention/wish that he die.

    Just my two cents. She's obviously a disgusting human being but I don't think it's a fair punishment and it sets/reeinforces a pretty dangerous precedent.
    Yeah I tend to agree with this tbh.
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    Could someone from a more legal point of view tell me why stuff like this is against the law:

    Finsbury Park attack: Son of hire boss held over Facebook post - BBC News

    But the Qur'an and other crackpot religious tomes are just fine and dandy? Are there specific get-out clauses for satanic fairy tale cults?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    Disagree with the ruling. As far as I can tell, she didn't threaten or blackmail Roy. She didn't provide the means or coerce him into it. And obviously didn't carry out any action that directly caused the death.

    How can she be convicted of a crime which is defined as unlawful, unintentional killing? She didn't kill him in the direct sense and it clearly WAS her intention/wish that he die.

    Just my two cents. She's obviously a disgusting human being but I don't think it's a fair punishment and it sets/reeinforces a pretty dangerous precedent.
    Probably down to the legal definition of causation tbh.

    In the UK you will be taken to have "caused" someone to die if you are more than a trivial cause of death, and but for your conduct there would be no death. No direct physical actions or similar are necessarily required.

    Not sure if that's directly relevant here, but I imagine it is something like this (i.e. nuances in the legal terminology causing a prima facie dodgy outcome).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scaly piscine View Post
    Could someone from a more legal point of view tell me why stuff like this is against the law:

    Finsbury Park attack: Son of hire boss held over Facebook post - BBC News

    But the Qur'an and other crackpot religious tomes are just fine and dandy? Are there specific get-out clauses for satanic fairy tale cults?
    Yeah, religious expressions are more protected by the law than other forms of speech (e.g. political). This is widely acknowledged.
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    this thread makes me boil with rage. apparently 17-year-old girls have more institutional power than tenured professors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    religious expressions are more protected by the law than other forms of speech (e.g. political).
    ew.

    I don't disagree with your post, just saying my position on that fact is:

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    The fact that this thread has in its short life covered a huge variety of legal and social issues has given us a good example of why the phrase 'political correctness' is a made-up catch-all boogeyman used by certain people to describe basically any opinion they don't like.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Howe_zat View Post
    The fact that this thread has in its short life covered a huge variety of legal and social issues has given us a good example of why the phrase 'political correctness' is a made-up catch-all boogeyman used by certain people to describe basically any opinion they don't like.
    Okay, but how does this make it substantially different from any number of other political terms/phrases?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Okay, but how does this make it substantially different from any number of other political terms/phrases?
    Struggling to think of any that have it quite so bad, but I expect I'd be similarly ticked off with each
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