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    Yes the Chinese don’t like anyone to voice the idea that the ‘One Belt One Road’ initiative is really about creating a conduit for the Chinese army so that it can more easily threaten India and annex Bhutan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    Mm, I don't agree, but that's because my problem with Chinese censorship is less the corroding of free speech at universities and more the potential political effects that it could have when it comes to how we respond to what is quite frankly imperialist behaviour. So it's stuff particular to China and its pushing of nationalism overseas.
    The problem with Western Liberal ideology is that it truly believes that Nationalism will magically disappear across the globe if Western countries cease to be Nationalistic. However, all this does is to allow and encourage the worst kind of Imperialism by States who donít give a damn about falling in-line behind Liberal ideals. China is a classic example.

    The only way to contain the worst excesses of Imperialism is by fostering Ďbenign Nationalismí within Western democracies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    The problem with Western Liberal ideology is that it truly believes that Nationalism will magically disappear across the globe if Western countries cease to be Nationalistic. However, all this does is to allow and encourage the worst kind of Imperialism by States who don’t give a damn about falling in-line behind Liberal ideals. China is a classic example.

    The only way to contain the worst excesses of Imperialism is by fostering ‘benign Nationalism’ within Western democracies.
    How does benign nationalism contain imperialism with respect to Western democracies?

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    I think he may have a point but I think Russia would be a better example to use. China simply seems to be setting itself and its constituents up financially - which yes can be an exploitative process but isn't necessarily exploitative and also doesn't necessarily rely on corruption or anything nefarious; in other words, their efforts don't seem to be far beyond the scope of a particularly large retirement fund. I mean sure there are specific cases to argue e.g. Tibet etc and this is not to denigrate any human rights violations or whatever, but the overall point stands, IMO.

    Russia is a different story entirely.
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    Okay well maybe the point is lost on me.

    I'm still struggling to figure out what nationalism within western democracies has to do with Chinese or Russian imperialism in the first place.

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    Everyone else being too PC and Liberal is allowing Russia and China to do whatever the **** they want.

    Or something like that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    I think he may have a point but I think Russia would be a better example to use. China simply seems to be setting itself and its constituents up financially - which yes can be an exploitative process but isn't necessarily exploitative and also doesn't necessarily rely on corruption or anything nefarious; in other words, their efforts don't seem to be far beyond the scope of a particularly large retirement fund. I mean sure there are specific cases to argue e.g. Tibet etc and this is not to denigrate any human rights violations or whatever, but the overall point stands, IMO.

    Russia is a different story entirely.
    This only becomes convincing if you ignore 2500 years of Chinese history and the extremely liberal definition its central government, in all iterations, has taken of what constitutes "China".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    Okay well maybe the point is lost on me.

    I'm still struggling to figure out what nationalism within western democracies has to do with Chinese or Russian imperialism in the first place.

    In case you haven’t noticed China is slowly ****ing Australia up the arse because that’s what Imperial powers do. Keating god love him allowed the Chinese plutocracy unfettered access to the Australian economy and society and now we are paying the price for it.

    A Nationalistic government who instinctively understands that all Imperial powers are inherently racist would have minimised our exposure to China during the 90s and instead broadened a trade with other countries. Turnbull is now frantically trying to increase ties with India, Europe and the US but it is too late. The economy is shot and there’s nothing we can do about it because China has us by the balls.



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    Man you try and make a point and watson strolls in and makes it all ridiculous

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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    In case you havenít noticed China is slowly ****ing Australia up the arse because thatís what Imperial powers do. Keating god love him allowed the Chinese plutocracy unfettered access to the Australian economy and society and now we are paying the price for it.

    A Nationalistic government who instinctively understands that all Imperial powers are inherently racist would have minimised our exposure to China during the 90s and instead broadened a trade with other countries. Turnbull is now frantically trying to increase ties with India, Europe and the US but it is too late. The economy is shot and thereís nothing we can do about it because China has us by the balls.
    Yeah cause that really qualifies as "the worst excesses of imperialism."

    There is a real lack of a sense of proportion in what's argued by some people on this forum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munificent_Fool View Post
    Yeah cause that really qualifies as "the worst excesses of imperialism."

    There is a real lack of a sense of proportion in what's argued by some people on this forum.

    I have never strained at the minutae of definitions because that’s not what writing and expression is all about. I leave the ridiculous Nth degrees to the lawyers and law makers.

    It’s a forum so live a little, read between the lines and try and work out what the author is really trying to say.

    Neither do I make any apologies for speaking through my emotions and using some hyperbole.

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