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    Is there an NZ equivalent of the UKIP which a few of the hard right #freedom warriors from the shaky Isles can throw a vote towards?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Is there an NZ equivalent of the UKIP which a few of the hard right #freedom warriors from the shaky Isles can throw a vote towards?
    Nah we don't really have an equivalent, all parties are centrist or left. NZ first is fairly racist on immigration but theyre just a populist party that traditionally is more or less centre left. We have two parties that are basically one man affairs that are maybe approaching the right but this election cycle everyone is more or less playing it very safe policy wise.
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    Fair enough. So typically Kiwi to be agreeable. #spiritofcricket

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    There is also ACT which is extreme right-wing on free-market ideology (low tax, user pays, cut social welfare and a bit nutty - wanting euthanasia), but not on race grounds. They will only get one MP out of 120+
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Is there an NZ equivalent of the UKIP which a few of the hard right #freedom warriors from the shaky Isles can throw a vote towards?
    UKIP types in New Zealand would be split between ACT (freedom warriors, vaguely close to the Australian Liberal Democrats) and NZ First (anti-immigration warriors, vaguely close to the Australian One Nation, but more 'cult of personality' driven than them). Those two parties really hate each other too, and have almost opposite policies on most things. UKIP itself is probably the strange beast here rather than NZ and Australia for splitting those ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Burgey View Post
    Fair enough. So typically Kiwi to be agreeable. #spiritofcricket
    We did have an outspoken controversial rich businessman make his own party and run this election cycle with Gareth Morgan and his The Opportunities Party. The guy had a relatively controversial opinion a few years back that implied cats should be killed due to their impact on NZs wildlife.

    But he's actually waged a fairly reasonable campaign.

    The Opportunities Party - Core Policies

    I think people were expecting a bit more radical ideas to be coming from him but he more or less falls in line within the existing Kiwi politics zeitgeist perfectly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    UKIP types in New Zealand would be split between ACT (freedom warriors, vaguely close to the Australian Liberal Democrats) and NZ First (anti-immigration warriors, vaguely close to the Australian One Nation, but more 'cult of personality' driven than them). Those two parties really hate each other too, and have almost opposite policies on most things. UKIP itself is probably the strange beast here rather than NZ and Australia for splitting those ideas.
    You probably have a better idea of this than I do Cribblet but this is by far the least wacky Act policy's for an election I've ever seen.
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    I agree with David Seymour on many things. Probably most things, even.

    His attack on cigarette tax is frankly bizarre though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    You probably have a better idea of this than I do Cribblet but this is by far the least wacky Act policy's for an election I've ever seen.
    Seymour gonna Seymour.

    They are running a gender non-binary anarchist in Ohariu if that makes you feel better re: how normie they've become though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Seymour gonna Seymour.

    They are running a gender non-binary anarchist in Ohariu if that makes you feel better re: how normie they've become though.
    They're never going to get more than one MP so doing slightly controversial things for seats that don't matter doesn't seem all that controversial.

    It's heating up to be one of the most exciting Kiwi elections ever aside from the fact none of the parties really have any particularly radical policies or ideas. When you look at the **** shows of elections around the world it's sort of reassuring for the worst possible option to be perfectly acceptable.

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    I really wish Winston would just piss off.

    He's screwing up both the left and the right with his regressive speeches.
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    Winston had a lot of value in NZ politics over the years in opposition and I'll miss him when he's gone but yeah, he's the worst bit about this election. That said I do think he's unlikely to do much harm in either coalition government. Immigration reform tempered by either major party will still likely be alright in my eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Winston had a lot of value in NZ politics over the years in opposition and I'll miss him when he's gone but yeah, he's the worst bit about this election. That said I do think he's unlikely to do much harm in either coalition government. Immigration reform tempered by either major party will still likely be alright in my eyes.
    Really? Winston's always been in it for the kicks and giggles as far as I'm concerned, & has always played the spoiler/distracter card. Don't be fooled by his charm, as so many have.

    He's always entertaining though, will give him points for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    Nah we don't really have an equivalent, all parties are centrist or left. NZ first is fairly racist on immigration but theyre just a populist party that traditionally is more or less centre left. We have two parties that are basically one man affairs that are maybe approaching the right but this election cycle everyone is more or less playing it very safe policy wise.
    nz first are the most dangerous party in new zealand. happily racist and economic nationalism is suicide for a nation that needs trade partners to buy our products

    huurrrrrrr my tariffs. down with free trade and our economy with it hurrrrrrrr

    Quote Originally Posted by Athlai View Post
    We did have an outspoken controversial rich businessman make his own party and run this election cycle with Gareth Morgan and his The Opportunities Party. The guy had a relatively controversial opinion a few years back that implied cats should be killed due to their impact on NZs wildlife.

    But he's actually waged a fairly reasonable campaign.

    The Opportunities Party - Core Policies

    I think people were expecting a bit more radical ideas to be coming from him but he more or less falls in line within the existing Kiwi politics zeitgeist perfectly.
    i like morgan. he's happy to throw ideas at the wall that the other parties aren't brave enough to, and despite being more left than right he's happy to work with any party.
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    I agree with David Seymour on many things. Probably most things, even.

    His attack on cigarette tax is frankly bizarre though.
    he's the most (and only) palatable libertarian i've ever seen, even more so than pews. he really should just join national. he's respectful, principled and most importantly of all he's no ideologue. it will mean act kill him off in their death spiral because they're all insane internet libertarian types but he deserves better tbh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zinzan View Post
    Really? Winston's always been in it for the kicks and giggles as far as I'm concerned, & has always played the spoiler/distracter card. Don't be fooled by his charm, as so many have.

    He's always entertaining though, will give him points for that.
    Winston as kingmaker always makes me nervous.

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