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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Yeah it's one of those countries that the anti-government crowd have to pretend doesn't exist to sustain their ideology.
    Terrible post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    And vice versa, to be honest. The socialists don't have much to stand on either when it's mainly liberal economics that has delivered for them.
    Haha yeah for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uppercut View Post
    Yeah it's one of those countries that the anti-government crowd have to pretend doesn't exist to sustain their ideology.
    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    And vice versa, to be honest. The socialists don't have much to stand on either when it's mainly liberal economics that has delivered for them.
    so germany is the perfect country?
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    It isn't. But it's pretty good.

    The healthcare here seems to be emblematic of Hendrix's point. It's not good because it's some socialist scheme, believe me you pay for it. 80 EUR/month for public cover (Krankenversicherung) and it's only that cheap because I'm a student. For context, that's more than I paid per month for private cover in Oz. Once you're a working stiff, it bumps to ~200 EUR/month (Vimes to confirm). The medical care itself ain't perfect either. After a certain income level (60K I think) you can access private cover too.

    Same with other public services. They're there (unemployment insurance, etc.) and you're definitely paying for them. Only need to look at the number of deductions from your take-home pay. I'm sure there are always efficiencies you can add to a system like this but, generally, it's low stress and smooth, no bill shock is nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    I read that as watson implying that nationalism is the vanguard of progressivism, tbh.

    ‘Nationalism’ is the old textbook political term. ‘Heimet’ or home-land is the new term which has resonated with how Western people think and feel. Consequently the idea of ‘Heimet’ is driving the political agenda from the grassroots up.

    Mainsteam German politicians have been the first to recognise this and speak about it responsibly and constructively. In the Anglo-sphere we are still stuck in the old paradigm where it is assumed that the inherent and natural desire for ‘Heimet’ is overwhelmingly bad. The reality is way more complicated than that and goes right to the heart of what it means to be human at the most fundamental level.
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    The age of Kurz is an important factor. The new political tsunami is not a movement of the old, but of the young who are looking to their future.


    Austrian conservative set to become world's youngest leader

    Austria's conservative People's Party, led by 31-year-old Sebastian Kurz, is set to win the country's general election, projections suggest.

    The victory would make Mr Kurz the world's youngest national leader.
    The People's Party was set to win more than 31%. It is so far unclear whether the Social Democrats or the far-right Freedom Party will finish second.

    Short of a majority, Mr Kurz's party could seek an alliance with the anti-immigration Freedom Party.....

    Sebastian Kurz: Austrian conservative set to become world's youngest leader - BBC News
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    With May among the walking dead, Macron locked in a battle with the Unions, and Merkel about to cross an ADf political minefield the hegemony of Old Europe is about to get less hegemonic. And it’s all their own fault.

    The Austrian elections should terrify Europeans

    ....Austria's lurch to the right flies in the face of a hopeful, short-lived apparent backlash against the far right's advances in Europe. In French and Dutch votes, nationalists fell short of expectations. In Austria itself last year, a liberal candidate narrowly beat the Freedom Party's frontman for the country's presidency.

    But these victories now appear as interim events.

    Austria's swing to the right is particularly worrisome in light of its Central European neighbors' rightward tilts and their opposition to the kind of liberal, more tightly integrated EU envisioned by Merkel and Emmanuel Macron of France.

    If a conservative-far right government emerges in Austria, which is likely but not certain, the coalition would certainly breathe wind into the sails of the post-communist nations such as Poland, Hungary, Croatia and others that, in general, bristle under Brussels' curbs on state sovereignty and, specifically, the imperative to accept and integrate refugees. Austria would find itself closer in its affinities to Victor Orban's Hungary than to Merkel's Germany.

    Austria was an outlier in 2000, brushing aside criticism to take the Freedom Party into the government. Kurz would be going a step further if he resurrects the alliance today. Europe's identity and the EU's survival are on the line, something even the young Mr. Kurz must certainly understand.

    The Austrian elections should terrify Europeans (opinion) - CNN
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