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    Quote Originally Posted by StephenZA View Post
    Showing my ignorance and with Merkel stepping down. Is this all a hangover form the immigration stuff last year? Or is this about bigger issues I have no idea about in Germany. I am generally interested because Germany has become one of my favourites to try get a job following my PhD.
    It's fallout from the protracted coalition negotiations. No one really wanted another round of CDU/SPD big coalition - as evidenced by both parties getting their worst result since 1949 - but with AfD and Linke beyond the pale and FDP and the Greens having fundamentally opposed economic outlooks, there was no other viable coalition. Voters in local elections have rejected both big parties (AfD have gained, but so have the Greens) and so after yesterday's bad CDU result (down 10 %-points) and a national party conference coming up in December Merkel needs to do something to keep her party quiet.

    She presumably hopes to be able to anoint a successor from the moderate wing of the party who can continue to work with SPD and/or the Greens, but many CDU people believe they need to follow the rest of the world and turn sharply right.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    It's fallout from the protracted coalition negotiations. No one really wanted another round of CDU/SPD big coalition - as evidenced by both parties getting their worst result since 1949 - but with AfD and Linke beyond the pale and FDP and the Greens having fundamentally opposed economic outlooks, there was no other viable coalition. Voters in local elections have rejected both big parties (AfD have gained, but so have the Greens) and so after yesterday's bad CDU result (down 10 %-points) and a national party conference coming up in December Merkel needs to do something to keep her party quiet.

    She presumably hopes to be able to anoint a successor from the moderate wing of the party who can continue to work with SPD and/or the Greens, but many CDU people believe they need to follow the rest of the world and turn sharply right.
    Probably a bit overly needed detail, but what is it with the current wants of the populace that makes them dislike the main parties. A generally feeling of unhappiness or specific problems within Germany?

    I very muck like the fact that their is so many parties and Germany has such a strong Democracy of ideas. Forces discussion.
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    It's the brown people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Top_Cat View Post
    It's the brown people.
    Sarcastic? or really as simple as that?


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    He's talking about the refugees let in over the last few years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    He's talking about the refugees let in over the last few years
    I understand that.... just is that the whole issue. I`m sure Germany has got lots of issues like all countries. And I know the AfD have grown, but so have the Greens regrown and they are a pro-immigration party. So I'm just wondering what the bigger issues beyond immigration Germans are looking at? Or is this just once again a vote for change?

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    It's not only racial fears, I think. The SPD have been battered because they're nominally a social democratic party without any social democratic policies, and the CDU have been battered because they're a conservative party without any conservative policies.

    Plus after 15 years of the same EU-loyal technocratic government people want some change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Samuel_Vimes View Post
    Plus after 15 years of the same EU-loyal technocratic government people want some change.
    "Lets try the other club tonight, I`m bored and want a change even if the drinks cost twice the price, maybe the girls are prettier?"

    Vote for change... whatever that change is!

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    if you can follow German, there's a half-hour in depth report on the decline of the "people's parties" here. Click UT for subtitles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by andmark View Post
    How the **** does someone climb to the top of the Arc de Triomphe?
    Tricky, unless you use the stairs
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    Quote Originally Posted by fredfertang View Post
    Tricky, unless you use the stairs
    Oh yeah. I had the impression they climbed the outside of it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    https://twitter.com/NYTScience/statu...933839365?s=19

    Italy I think is just a broken country. Remember when they tried to jail seismologists for not predicting an earthquake?
    https://t.co/o3684g4w4n yeah

    Also, Charlie Kirk is as much of a lobotomised moron wrt European politics as he is wrt American politics.
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    https://twitter.com/spignal/status/1...214891520?s=19

    I don't think these people are very smart.

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    Was Macron withdrawing the diesel tax a bad precedent? Like by doing that, he's implied (unintentionally) that these protests can work.

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