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    There was also the issue of managing 3 different groups of people....the Sunni, the Shia and the Kurds. The whole thing was mismanaged.

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    Biden's idea of partitioning Iraq into three states strictly by ethnicity honestly doesn't seem so bad in hindsight.
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    First order of business for government in each state would be how to obliterate the other two arseholes, tbh....
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    Quote Originally Posted by sledger View Post
    Yeah, but there's no way of proving whether or not this has actually happened (and that's assuming it's possible to develop a logically coherent metric by which "evil" can be measured), which is why this article is balls.
    *perceived greater of two evils.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    Although it is quite a bit more foreseeable that leaving behind a weak government in an extremely religious volatile area would lead to powerful non-state extremist actors.
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    Iraq 'worked' prior to 2003 because the Sadam Hussein regime held the warring parties in check. However, in order to do this the regime had to be just as brutal as the warring parties themselves. This is because it is not possible to be benevolent towards an entity that hates everyone else bar themselves and just wants to purge society of the opposing 'infidels'.

    The interesting question is how and why this insane cycle of extreme xenophobia exists within the Middle East in the first place? Once you come to terms with that question then you start to offer long term solutions. Until then the Middle East will remain a continuing patch-up job for all concerned.
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    Yeah watson's racist, xenophobic agenda getting more and more annoying.

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    @ Watson

    Yeah we all know what you are hinting at.

    Is it Islam by any chance?

    And what is the best way forward?

    I think from what you have been saying, it's to reform Islam so that it is compatible with the modern world?

    How should this be achieved, especially in the middle east?
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    Btw, as difficult and horrible as it is to do, if we take a strategic view of the Paris terror attacks does anyone think this was a blunder by ISIS? By targeting a major western power, and threatening similar attacks on others this will likely lead to a much more active response from western militaries and greater support for intervention from the populations of western democracies. We've already seen the French massively step-up their airstrike campaign and the Russians and Americans have begun sharing military information in the wake of the attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hendrix View Post
    Yeah watson's racist, xenophobic agenda getting more and more annoying.
    I love this whole meme where people think religion = race.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Nationaux View Post
    @ Watson

    Yeah we all know what you are hinting at.

    Is it Islam by any chance?

    And what is the best way forward?

    I think from what you have been saying, it's to reform Islam so that it is compatible with the modern world?

    How should this be achieved, especially in the middle east?
    It took about 300 years or so to transform Christianity from its prior religio-political form to its current benign form. It's difficult to encapulate everything that went on in Western socities to bring this about, but in general - there was the political will by politicians to decouple and then separate the Church from the State. There was the academic will by Schools and Universities to embrace Science, scepticism, critical thinking, and the ethos of doubt. All these things have a mediating effect on the religious mindset and transform religious institutions from the grassroots up.

    While deliberate persecution of all agnostics, atheists, freethinkers, and humanistic politicians exists within most Islamic societies then the road to more tolerant and less violent Islamic societies will be blocked, and so there can be no 'way forward'.

    By the way, I have no idea what anyone means when they use the common phrase 'modern world' because it is so nebulous. I prefer the idea that we are all working to a 'humanistic world' where the needs of people always come first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bahnz View Post
    Btw, as difficult and horrible as it is to do, if we take a strategic view of the Paris terror attacks does anyone think this was a blunder by ISIS? By targeting a major western power, and threatening similar attacks on others this will likely lead to a much more active response from western militaries and greater support for intervention from the populations of western democracies. We've already seen the French massively step-up their airstrike campaign and the Russians and Americans have begun sharing military information in the wake of the attacks.
    I think ISIS are fully aware what will happen and actively encourage it. Firstly it might further galvanise their members into the Islam vs. The West. Secondly they could be thinking that getting countries to close their borders to refugees will force Syrians to join them. My hope is that it's actually a last-ditch desperation play and they'll get progressively weaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    I prefer the idea that we are all working to a 'humanistic world' where the needs of people always come first.
    Reminder that this guy thinks that Europe should completely close its borders to millions of refugees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gnske View Post
    I love this whole meme where people think religion = race.
    For the topic at hand, Muslim = Arab so yes it's racist.

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