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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
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    On top of all the fundings, they have grown into self sustaining terrorist organization with stronghold of oil depots and oil production. Plus they continue to collect "taxes" from citizens within Raqqa, Mosul etc. Also the ancient artifacts that they are selling into black markets and looted number of banks over the years. Their net worth is estimated at 2 billion US dollar making them the richest ever terrorist group.
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    Mate it's public knowledge that Isis is made up of:

    A) deposed Saddam generals.

    B) Anti Bashar, anti-socialist "rebels". Funded by th US in 2011.

    Both of those are direct consequences of US policy. Even after Saddam was deposed the US decided not to reintegrate, but rather completely disband and alienate the Iraq army.

    Saudi Arabia's interventions have been in line with US policy. Again, they weren't fans of a socialist (albeit corrupt) government.

    Yes there are religious and ethnic divisions that have been reinforced - notably the Kurds have been the strongest resistance.

    But to most people - whatever their religion, they simply don't want to die.

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    Daily Beast is currently doing an interview with a former ISIS member. Pretty interesting reading although I don't know how reliable it is:

    Confessions of an ISIS Spy - The Daily Beast
    How ISIS Picks Its Suicide Bombers - The Daily Beast

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    Since RTB mentioned The Daily Beast...

    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS

    But in the years they were getting started, a key component of ISIS’s support came from wealthy individuals in the Arab Gulf States of Kuwait, Qatar and Saudi Arabia. Sometimes the support came with the tacit nod of approval from those regimes; often, it took advantage of poor money laundering protections in those states, according to officials, experts, and leaders of the Syrian opposition, which is fighting ISIS as well as the regime.

    “Everybody knows the money is going through Kuwait and that it’s coming from the Arab Gulf,” said Andrew Tabler, senior fellow at the Washington Institute for Near East Policy. “Kuwait’s banking system and its money changers have long been a huge problem because they are a major conduit for money to extremist groups in Syria and now Iraq.”

    Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki has been publicly accusing Saudi Arabia and Qatar of funding ISIS for months. Several reports have detailed how private Gulf funding to various Syrian rebel groups has splintered the Syrian opposition and paved the way for the rise of groups like ISIS and others.

    Gulf donors support ISIS, the Syrian branch of al Qaeda called the al Nusrah Front, and other Islamic groups fighting on the ground in Syria because they feel an obligation to protect Sunnis suffering under the atrocities of the Assad regime. Many of these backers don’t trust or like the American backed moderate opposition, which the West has refused to provide significant arms to.

    America's Allies Are Funding ISIS - The Daily Beast
    This Middle Eastern conflict is your classic piece of religious sectarian violence, and it has just spilt over into Paris.
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    I am guessing when Saddam was in power, there were Shia extremist groups operating in Iraq. Anyone know who those were? Anyone famous?
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    Maybe there wouldn't be ISIS, but I reckon we would've seen a similar slaughter of civilians by Government forces (and all the resulting chaos) to that which occured in Syria following the Arab Spring.
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    Quote Originally Posted by watson View Post
    Since RTB mentioned The Daily Beast...



    This Middle Eastern conflict is your classic piece of religious sectarian violence, and it has just spilt over into Paris.
    One of the core ideologies of ISIS has been to target Shia/Yazidis and they gained grounds based on the movement. Al Zawahiri who fronted Al Qaeda in Iraq (AQI) and later which was overtaken by current ISIS head Al Baghdadi implemented the extreme violence against Shia/Yazidis. It worked for them because :

    a) they gained support from anti Shia authorities from abroad
    b) they were able to draw Sunni muslims/fighters who were oppressed by Shia authorities

    Now ISIS is more focused on establishing the caliphate and stretch it or hold the territories at any cost. When Al Baghdadi declared Islamic State and the caliphate, there was influx of thousands of foreigners. They are still maintaining the ideology of attacking Shias but it's certainly not their priority.
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    Quote Originally Posted by harsh.ag View Post
    I am guessing when Saddam was in power, there were Shia extremist groups operating in Iraq. Anyone know who those were? Anyone famous?
    There might have been Shia militants under Saddam's regime but the news did not reach international media. If there were any, they had to take extreme precaution and execute the plans mostly under cover

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    No, there'd be the Feyadeen instead, who in terms of personnel are in many ways the same thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spark View Post
    No, there'd be the Feyadeen instead, who in terms of personnel are in many ways the same thing.
    Yeah, even with hindsight here's also no way of empirically demonstrating that maintaining the status quo in the Saddam situation should have been given of priority over a drive for conscious change. It's a nonsense article, the underlying logic of which is massively flawed, and that's true regardless of whether or not you agree with its overall message.

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    Always easy to back someone as the "lesser of two evils" in hindsight, when the greater of the evils has arisen...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dan View Post
    Always easy to back someone as the "lesser of two evils" in hindsight, when the greater of the evils has arisen...
    Yeah, but there's no way of proving whether or not this has actually happened (and that's assuming it's possible to develop a logically coherent metric by which "evil" can be measured), which is why this article is balls.

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    Although it is quite a bit more foreseeable that leaving behind a weak government in an extremely religious volatile area would lead to powerful non-state extremist actors.

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    There is also the obvious point that the invasion was a ludicrously, appallingly awful idea at the time. But not because it would obviously lead to something like ISIS.

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