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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Well do what you have to do. I wouldn't want any person making that type of wages in the US.
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    If the embassy can't afford to pay the staff minimum wages, then no, they should not have that staff. To me, it's a matter of basic human rights and decency. If the Pakistani embassy can't afford to pay a full time staff, then so be it. That would be the sad state of things for Pakistan. If that means people in the US have to wait 6 months just to get a visa to travel to Pakistan, then that's how it will be. Human convenience is no excuse for slave labor.
    That's a pretty extremist position though.

    What you are saying is that for example because Chinese currency is undervalued artificially in terms of exchange rates they should pay Chinese Diplomats and staff in their Consulates and embassies something almost that could possibly be massive and close to their country premieres to even sustain these consulates. If USA feels so strongly about this maybe they should go and search their salary record then and shut down some consulates.

    To get around such disputes is why we have special bilateral understandings/agreements or International conventions.

    The law for minimum wage for immigrants may be put higher in certain places, to prevent unskilled workers from coming to USA but working in a embassy is not a typical job. Setting up of such embassies and consulates is encouraged by international agreements.


    Anyway coming back to this issue Really, mountain being maid out of a molehill from what it seems so far on this issue due to dubious reasons possibly -

    Laura Rozen ‏@lrozen 55m

    Seems US Attorney Southern District of NY overstepped & caused major diplomatic incident. Who's gonna pay? Statement Of Manhattan U.S. Attorney Preet Bharara </br>On U.S. v. Devyani Khobragade

    Peter Van Buren ‏@WeMeantWell 7h

    Hey India, check this: US diplomat in Kenya killed woman in hit-and-run, spirited out of the country by State Dept. U.S. diplomat kills man in car crash, leaves Kenya

    Peter Van Buren ‏@WeMeantWell 4h

    Hey again #India: US diplomats: murder, rape, solicitation, prostitution at embassy, cheating maids on their wages... Diplomatic Abuse of Servants: Not Just for Indians | The Dissenter

    Smita Prakash ‏@smitaprakash 58m

    "several contentious issues that Sujatha Singh raised with US officials & Bangladesh topped our list of differences" Indo-US spat started with Bangladesh - bdnews24.com



    And now, Preet Bharara has issued a statement denying what marshalls had previously confirmed, and also almost undermining John Kerry. Claims he rescued Maid's family from India. India calling it a immigration fraud and saying who is he to rescue people from India when Indian Court and government is seized of the matter ?

    Bizarre situation -

    Ashok Malik ‏@MalikAshok 11h

    So Sangita Richard's in-laws work in the US embassy. And her husband and kids were Fedex-ed to the US, while her visa status was dubious!!!
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    Poll aftermath: How the AAP changed things in a week - The Economic Times

    Lokpal also came back to national agenda straight up.

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    Raymond Davis shot two people in Pakistan and got away without being punished. Another diplomat Lupersio Perez ran over two people with his car and again got away.

    Clearly double standards being followed for American diplomats.
    Get well soon Yuvi!!

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    Preet Bhara now apparently questioning approach of India to the Devyani case. This dude needs to stick to his job and leave statements about India's reaction for higher level diplomats. He is one of those desis who are too eager to prove they are more American than Indian.

    And US saying that it expects India to abide by Vienna convention is lolworthy when all India has attempted to do is reduce the diplomatic privileges of US diplomats to the same level that their Indian counterparts get in US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    That's a pretty extremist position though.

    What you are saying is that for example because Chinese currency is undervalued artificially in terms of exchange rates they should pay Chinese Diplomats and staff in their Consulates and embassies something almost that could possibly be massive and close to their country premieres to even sustain these consulates. If USA feels so strongly about this maybe they should go and search their salary record then and shut down some consulates.
    I don't think it's extremist at all to not want to have slave wages in your country. It costs a certain amount to have a consulate. If you can't afford that, you shouldn't have a consulate. Sorry but having a maid is not essential anyway. In addition, it's not a matter of 'searching records', because in this instance, the records showed that the maid was being paid $4500/month, which was a lie. If everything was above-board and the accepted norm, why lie on the records?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cevno View Post
    India has transferred her to their United nations mission apparently. Now entitled to full Diplomatic immunity.
    Those transfers have to be approved by the US State Department. Since she is the subject of a criminal investigation and this move is clearly designed only to shield her, they could deny that request.

    (Likely, they'll approve it so she can go home and the whole thing can blow over).

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    I doubt if the housekeeper was only paid 30K INR per month in USD. Even in Delhi , a good fulltime nanny + housekeeper costs upwards of 20K a month.

    The Indian government has said that part of her salary was transferred to her husband's account in Delhi. they should offer some proof.

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    US prosecutor fires back over arrest of Indian diplomat | Fox News

    Damn right. I love that quote about "drug addicts". If the charges are true, then she is much worse than someone who is a non violent drug offender.

    Also it's interesting that no one so far (that I know of) is denying that she lied on the immigration form about how much she'd pay her maid.

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    “We are not convinced that there is a legitimate legal ground for pursuing this case,” Khurshid said. Khobragade may not have paid her employee what she was owed, but that did not justify “treating her like a common criminal,” the minister said.



    Uhhhh....that by definition makes her a common criminal.

    U.S. attorney vows to pursue case against Indian diplomat at center of U.S-India row - The Washington Post

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Bloody hell, you keep harping on about it ignoring what has been explained about Vienna convention and past precedents along with other details 457547456546 times. This is the 1st Indian diplomat arrested this way ever possibly.

    Now you are disputing something regarding which even Secretary of State has expressed regret already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    I don't think it's extremist at all to not want to have slave wages in your country. It costs a certain amount to have a consulate. If you can't afford that, you shouldn't have a consulate. Sorry but having a maid is not essential anyway. In addition, it's not a matter of 'searching records', because in this instance, the records showed that the maid was being paid $4500/month, which was a lie. If everything was above-board and the accepted norm, why lie on the records?
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    US prosecutor fires back over arrest of Indian diplomat | Fox News

    Damn right. I love that quote about "drug addicts". If the charges are true, then she is much worse than someone who is a non violent drug offender.

    Also it's interesting that no one so far (that I know of) is denying that she lied on the immigration form about how much she'd pay her maid.

    Not sure you are being deliberately ignorant, or what here but facts on this are disputed from both sides. There are several technicalities involved including Commonality of Courts principle, vienna convention and what not.

    There's a claim of a full immigration fraud and blackmail tactics from one side but you ignore it.

    To stop going round and round in circles with you on here again, i suggest you see this - Some points answered there.

    Row over diplomat's arrest: US arrogance or Indian mishandling? Video: NDTV.com

    And read this -

    Official Spokesperson's response a question on the statement issued by Manhattan US Attorney on December 18

    https://www.indianembassy.org/press_detail.php?nid=1990



    Preet Bharara decided to extend his jurisdiction from New York to New Delhi which is ridiculous. Who is he to pronounce judgements about essentially Indian High Court ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by silentstriker View Post
    Those transfers have to be approved by the US State Department. Since she is the subject of a criminal investigation and this move is clearly designed only to shield her, they could deny that request.

    (Likely, they'll approve it so she can go home and the whole thing can blow over).
    Not sure as they have transferred her to UN. Not the Indian embassy.

    But anyway, they should grant her immunity so then she can refuse to appear before the courts. Some past precedent for this is there already even if Bharara doesn't withdraw the case.



    Anyway, India gave soft threat initially that it might charge some consular officials and their spouses otherwise for violating their Visa Conditions by working without clearance in India. Can also charge people for keeping Alcohol over certain limits in certain states without a official permit.

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    From Hussain Haqqani -

    Husain Haqqani on America?s Diplomat Shame - The Daily Beast

    Anyway, even Washington Post is quoting US state department sources saying that they were surprised themselves that there was such a action, arrest and so called evacuation of people in this case when in fact previously such matters have been settled. Hell, even Russian's accused of espionage wasn't treated like this. See here -

    See timeline and tweets of fellow US diplomats themselves as well -

    https://twitter.com/lrozen


    That's the crux of the matter here, not that if there was technical violation here or there to which this maid was also a very much a known party vs the contention that maid is doing this to get US residency which was why there was a blackmail attempt which was reported to US authorities way back in July apparently.


    Also, if i may add US embassy staff pay their servants 5 times less in India than what she was paying this alleged Victim. So not sure where this whole false moral position is coming from. Their's letter of the law and spirit and uniform applicability of it based on precedents.

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    The holier-than-thou attitude in Bharara's speech is nauseating. US has made sure its diplomats get away with murder and hit and run which happened in broad daylight, without as much as a slap on the wrist. Acting as if the United States is a moral guardian of the world does not compute



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