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    First thing Santorum's said that makes sense

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    Individual mandate in deep trouble

    Politically speaking, even if the rest of the health law is left intact by the Supreme Court, the removal of the Individual Mandate will make it unworkable in its current format and I would expect it to be repealed by Congress, even with Democrats in charge.

    This is why elections deeply matter. We need a Democratic President to appoint a liberal judge to the Supreme Court at its next vacancy and tilt the court from conservative leaning to liberal leaning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    Individual mandate in deep trouble

    Politically speaking, even if the rest of the health law is left intact by the Supreme Court, the removal of the Individual Mandate will make it unworkable in its current format and I would expect it to be repealed by Congress, even with Democrats in charge.

    This is why elections deeply matter. We need a Democratic President to appoint a liberal judge to the Supreme Court at its next vacancy and tilt the court from conservative leaning to liberal leaning.
    I often chuckle at your posts in here - not because you have a ridiculous view or anything like that, but because your posts read as if your entire audience is Democrat-leaning and the central issue of debate isn't which party should get voted in, but whether or not it's that important that the Democrats win. In a way they sum up most of CW's political discussion here; divided opinions on political tactics and priority rather than core political difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    I often chuckle at your posts in here - not because you have a ridiculous view or anything like that, but because your posts read as if your entire audience is Democrat-leaning and the central issue of debate isn't which party should get voted in, but whether or not it's that important that the Democrats win. In a way they sum up most of CW's political discussion here; divided opinions on political tactics and priority rather than core political difference.
    I completely agree with your assessment of my posting style. I find it easier to "speak" to a fellow imaginary progressive (the fact that he/she may not exist doesn't matter, it just makes the post easier to write for me).

    However, are you also saying that I don't focus on the "issues" but rather simply the Democratic party? If so, then that's not correct. I've made it known that I'm solidly Progressive in my philosophy. The Democratic party of today is really center-left rather than Progressive, but it's the only party of significance that comes close to matching my views. Combine that with the fact that the Republican party's extreme tilt to the right disturbs me gravely and most of their ideas from the tea party and social conservative base are abhorrent to me and it's easy to see why I would root for the Democrats.

    I really wish I could afford to be an "Independent" and support a variety of strong candidates from either side. Unfortunately, the two parties are so divided and unwilling to compromise that I feel like I can't waste my vote on an ideal candidate that's not likely to win. The differences between the two are so stark and consequential (see the Health Care debate for instance), that I wholeheartedly and unapologetically support the Democrats.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    However, are you also saying that I don't focus on the "issues" but rather simply the Democratic party? If so, then that's not correct.
    Nah I wasn't saying that really; I was just saying that you post as if the main differing point is how important the result is rather than what the result should actually be - as if the latter is a complete given to your entire audience. I'm not accusing you of being a party-line-toer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    Nah I wasn't saying that really; I was just saying that you post as if the main differing point is how important the result is rather than what the result should actually be - as if the latter is a complete given to your entire audience. I'm not accusing you of being a party-line-toer.
    Haha you have a valid point. I'm going to make an effort to "lobby" for my point a little more, rather than assume that it's a given as you state.

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    here's an 'optimistic' article, but yeah from what i've heard/read so far today it's not looking good: After Rough Day In Court, An Optimistic View For Supporters Of ‘Obamacare’ | TPMDC
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    what does this do to obama's re-election chances? can't be good for him...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Anil View Post
    what does this do to obama's re-election chances? can't be good for him...
    I actually think it can help. If it's upheld, he's still the owner of a largely unpopular law (due to the extreme failure of he and his party to properly promote it). Also, the tea party base gets motivated all over again to defeat him.

    If it's defeated, then the reverse happens. The Democratic base (which does largely support the law) gets energized to help him win. Also, the Republicans lose a bit of their bite in using it as a campaign issue against him because it's no longer as relevant as it's been defeated.

    However, it would be a crushing setback to people like me who truly believed in health care reform. The law isn't perfect, but it's as close to universal health care as we can get in this country. No other President in my lifetime is likely to revisit this issue considering all that happened this time around. It will be a lost opportunity that I will deeply mourn. If only John Kerry had won an election that was there for the taking in 2004, we would have two additional liberal Justices on the Court who would most likely uphold the law.
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    If the law gets chopped down, I dunno know. I mean, it's not a popular law among non-D's. So it might mean there's one less reason to not vote for him. And the D's will be annoyed, but it's not gonna change their vote. And then Mitt was a fan of the individual mandate in a past life too. But then Obama might replace the mandate with something even less popular. So who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prince EWS View Post
    In a way they sum up most of CW's political discussion here; divided opinions on political tactics and priority rather than core political difference.
    Ideological arguments/discussions don't occur on CW in dedicated country politics threads because people are just posting on what is going on at that moment, what someone said etc. etc. But there are quite clearly ideological debates occurring on CW in other threads - see gay marriage, "militant secularism" and "Afghnistan massacre" threads for ones currently going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fusion View Post
    If only John Kerry had won an election that was there for the taking in 2004
    Election during a significant war is never "there for the taking" imo. People want status quo in those circumstances, particularly if the war has only recently commenced.



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